Iraq

[Kirkland Laing]

The West went in and toppled a government they did not like on the pretext that there was WMD. They have a duty to fix their mess.

They don't have the ability to fix it though. It's unfixable by the west even if they wanted to try and they don't. They just want a western-friendly leader in Baghdad who does what they want, they don't care how many people the guy kills provided he does what they want.

When you look at the history of western intervention in the region what gives you the idea that we intervene to help the people who live there?

[El Kabong]

Speaking of WMDs

Sunni Extremists in Iraq Occupy Saddam Hussein's Chemical Weapons Facility - WSJ

and

Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile' - live - Telegraph


Chemical weapons you say? In Iraq you say? Hmmm, funny that


And for interested parties the Generals don't lose wars for Super Powers, POLITICIANS DO

And I'm speaking directly about these chickenshits who turned tail and ran after the Supreme Court made it's decision on Florida's Presidential votes in 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZ2ZvS2t_E


But it's too much to ask for those assholes to be intellectually honest, I mean hell look at Global Cooling/Warming/Climate Change....their goal is to be Political winners not leaders

[Kirkland Laing]

Speaking of WMDs

Sunni Extremists in Iraq Occupy Saddam Hussein's Chemical Weapons Facility - WSJ

and

Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile' - live - Telegraph


Chemical weapons you say? In Iraq you say? Hmmm, funny that


And for interested parties the Generals don't lose wars for Super Powers, POLITICIANS DO

And I'm speaking directly about these chickenshits who turned tail and ran after the Supreme Court made it's decision on Florida's Presidential votes in 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhZ2ZvS2t_E


But it's too much to ask for those assholes to be intellectually honest, I mean hell look at Global Cooling/Warming/Climate Change....their goal is to be Political winners not leaders

Chemical weapons are not weapons of mass destruction. And these chemical weapons were put under UN seal and permanent inspection regime as part of the 1991 surrender treaty. They managed to remain under seal until now when the jihadis got their hands on them. Luckily Iraq's chemical weapons programme was so primitive they'll have been useless twenty years ago.

As usual right wing media outlets are out to spread disinformation and as usual the people who can be relied upon to fall for any bullshit they're offered eat it up.

Also, too. Obama isn't reponsible for there being no American troops in Iraq. Bush is. In the summer of 2008 Bush was presented with two options by the Iraqi government. All US troops out by the end of 2008 or all troops out by the end of 2011. Bush chose the least humiliating option and avoided being publicly humiliated at the handover by sending his VP to sustain the embarrassment.





What the GOP are blaming Obama for at the minute is failing to renegotiate an agreement that Bush signed up to and the Iraqis had zero interest in renegotiatiing. So as far as politicians losing wars go, the Iraq war was fought and lost including the surrender handover to the Iranians all on Bush's watch.

[Kirkland Laing]

Look at the microphones in that photo and note the complete lack of western media coverage at that conference. The AP who wrote one article which papers didn't use and one photographer who took one photo that the western media also blacked out. The Arab and world press covered this strory with that photograph and headlines like "America's humiliation".

[Spicoli]

Wars are not winnable in a conventional literal way now. There is no 1+1=2 cookie cutter resolution. We knew in the Persian Gulf, Somalia and when the towers fell this was not out Grand daddy's war. Hell, we learned that in Vietnam but refused to learn and adapt during.

Obama is speaking now and I have no idea what the fook he is saying. Double talk, rainbows & unicorns and walking on water. Bush did the exact same thing. So we're sending 300 "Military non combat advisors" to train Iraq forces...again. Third times the charm eh Walk in and pat them on the back and give them an Atta' boy speech. All the while waiting for one of them to turn their weapon on them. Is this Bizarro world.

What a fuckin mess man. There really is no answer, at least not for us to offer at this stage.

[Kirkland Laing]

Wars are not winnable in a conventional literal way now. There is no 1+1=2 cookie cutter resolution. We knew in the Persian Gulf, Somalia and when the towers fell this was not out Grand daddy's war. Hell, we learned that in Vietnam but refused to learn and adapt during.

Obama is speaking now and I have no idea what the fook he is saying. Double talk, rainbows & unicorns and walking on water. Bush did the exact same thing. So we're sending 300 "Military non combat advisors" to train Iraq forces...again. Third times the charm eh Walk in and pat them on the back and give them an Atta' boy speech. All the while waiting for one of them to turn their weapon on them. Is this Bizarro world.

What a fuckin mess man. There really is no answer, at least not for us to offer at this stage.

There is zero difference between Obama and Bush on Iraq. Bush spent the years after Maliki took power trying to get him to make a deal with the Sunnis and trying to get rid of him when he refused to. Obama is doing the exact same thing. Now Obama is, according to the NYT, thinking about installing Ahmad Chalabi as prez. That America would ignore an actual democratic election result and boot the winner out in favour of their guy is not anything new. That Obama would try and install the guy Bush originally wanted to run Iraq even when it became comically obvious that he had no chance of being acceptable is unbelievable. It's like American foreign policy is frozen in amber and can't ever alter.

Chalabi it turned out was convicted of embezzling tens of millions from a bank in Jordan that he was running. So he's a dodgy banker. One of these guys.




But that's not the major reason he's a bad guy. It turns out he was also an Iranian agent feeding Dick Cheney and his people bullshit about Saddam so that America had the bs intel they needed to invade Iraq. Iran always knew they'd end up running Iraq if America invaded. So now America is making a second attempt to install an Iranian agent as head of Iraq to replace the, uh, Iranian agent that won the recent election but that America doesn't like. Fucking unbelievable.

[El Kabong]

Wars are not winnable in a conventional literal way now.

I'm sure you probably mean because the public gets a better eyeful of war than used to be the case...the far left do their part to sabotage their own nation as well...unless "their guy" is in office hence the lack of anti-war protests under Obama when he has halfassedly carried out similar foreign policies as W....but hey W is white and a Republican, there's not enough hate on Earth for him.