Floyd's resume.

[Beanflicker]

So Mayweather wasn't offered the fight with Margarito? For 8m but chose to fight Baldomir instead leading to Williams-Margarito.

Mayweather avoided Cotto and signed for a pointless rematch with De La Hoya

Another guy who hasn't been mentioned is Wright. Apparently Floyd pulled out at the last minute

Winky Wright? That's news to me.

There's a bit more to the Margarito thing than people bring up.

Anyone who remembers or can be bothered to do research would know that Arum set the Marg/Mayweather fight for August, no if's, and's or but's. It was August 12th, or it was nothing. The date was set in stone, Arum just needed to build a fight card for it.

Floyd had injured his right hand fighting Zab Judah in April and told Arum that there was no way he could be ready to fight by August. Arum, who already had that date booked for a card, said "ok then", used the date to stage the Maskaev/Rahman rematch, and Margarito signed on to fight Clottey later in the year. So Floyd never turned down Margarito, he turned down the date. And it's not like he turned down Margarito then fought someone else in that time period: he didn't fight Baldomir until November. So AT LEAST get your facts straight.

That's also the time that Mayweather bought out his contract from Arum. Floyd wanted the Cotto and Hatton fights at that time, but he wanted a guarenteed 10 million purse, whereas Arum would only give him 7 million. Also, Arum wasn't interested in making the PBF/DLH showdown. So Floyd bought out his contract, took the fight with Baldomir and waited for the DLH showdown that made him a ton of money and pushed him over the edge as a mainstream star.

[La Cucaracha]

So Mayweather wasn't offered the fight with Margarito? For 8m but chose to fight Baldomir instead leading to Williams-Margarito.

Mayweather avoided Cotto and signed for a pointless rematch with De La Hoya

Another guy who hasn't been mentioned is Wright. Apparently Floyd pulled out at the last minute

Winky Wright? That's news to me.

There's a bit more to the Margarito thing than people bring up.

Anyone who remembers or can be bothered to do research would know that Arum set the Marg/Mayweather fight for August, no if's, and's or but's. It was August 12th, or it was nothing. The date was set in stone, Arum just needed to build a fight card for it.

Floyd had injured his right hand fighting Zab Judah in April and told Arum that there was no way he could be ready to fight by August. Arum, who already had that date booked for a card, said "ok then", used the date to stage the Maskaev/Rahman rematch, and Margarito signed on to fight Clottey later in the year. So Floyd never turned down Margarito, he turned down the date. And it's not like he turned down Margarito then fought someone else in that time period: he didn't fight Baldomir until November. So AT LEAST get your facts straight.

That's also the time that Mayweather bought out his contract from Arum. Floyd wanted the Cotto and Hatton fights at that time, but he wanted a guarenteed 10 million purse, whereas Arum would only give him 7 million. Also, Arum wasn't interested in making the PBF/DLH showdown. So Floyd bought out his contract, took the fight with Baldomir and waited for the DLH showdown that made him a ton of money and pushed him over the edge as a mainstream star.

My facts are straight son spin it how you want. Floyd was injured or whatever and brought out his contract. I've never said once on this thread that Floyd ducked anyone all most posters are saying is that there are fights that he needed to have that would have increased his legacy and his claims as TBE

The fact is he never fought Margarito I know Floyd probably didn't want to work with Arum but what better way to get one up than to beat his guys

As for the Wright fight:

Sports: Wright-Mayweather bout is off as talks break down

[Beanflicker]

The fact is he never fought Margarito

Yeah, but you're implying that Floyd avoided him, when in reality Floyd turned down the date, not the fight.

[La Cucaracha]

The fact is he never fought Margarito

Yeah, but you're implying that Floyd avoided him, when in reality Floyd turned down the date, not the fight.

Read my post #79 on this thread I'm not implying Floyd avoided him it's just a fight I would have liked to see, just like Casamayor at 130, Tszyu at 140, Margarito, Williams or Cotto at 147

Floyd claims to be TBE fights against the likes of these guys could have proven that

He never cleaned out a division, never fought the best at 140 (Tszyu) HBO and Showtime were probably the main cause, but that hasn't affected other fighters from rival networks working something out he retired when there were challenges for him to face when he came back he didn't fight the best in his division (Pacquiao) or jump up 2 weights like Leonard did. Hell Robnson ought LaMotta weighing 144 pounds

[Mr140]

Look the fact is he beat the top guys in 130 and 135 then at 147 he beat the top guys at the time. At 154 he beat Cotto, Ginger and Hoya top guys at that weight class one the mw champ now. When he came back he beat Jmm with ease same guy who went on to get robbed against pac then knock him out. Mayweather is atg not the greatest but a atg anyone who thinks others wise is a tool and knows nothing of boxing. You do not have to have him as the greatest but to say he is not a atg means you should pack your shit and look for a new sport to watch.

[La Cucaracha]

Look the fact is he beat the top guys in 130 and 135 then at 147 he beat the top guys at the time. At 154 he beat Cotto, Ginger and Hoya top guys at that weight class one the mw champ now. When he came back he beat Jmm with ease same guy who went on to get robbed against pac then knock him out. Mayweather is atg not the greatest but a atg anyone who thinks others wise is a tool and knows nothing of boxing. You do not have to have him as the greatest but to say he is not a atg means you should pack your shit and look for a new sport to watch.

Mayweather is a Hall of famer not an all time great I struggle to see him breaking the top 25 if not 30

To resort to the old "you know nothing about boxing" is just sad and forums are meant for debating the sport right you have opinion, I have an opinion. But debate like an adult son

[Mr140]

I honestly fell if you can not bring Mayweather into your top 30 then you boxing knowledge is lacking or you see old timers through rose tinted glasses. I am not a fan of Mayweather but he is best fighter of these decade been champ from 130 to 154 and was ring champ at 130, 135, 147, and 154. I mean do you not consider anyone from the past 15 or 20 years a atg i mean lets be real Mayweather has been the top guy for a while dude it is not really debatable. To be a champ for so long with out being defeated is task in it self i mean look at Pac he is a atg but lost big time and had bigger gifts in his career then Mayweather ever did. Tell me who on gods green earth do you consider atg from the past 20 years if not Mayweather. I not trying to be a dick i argue with beanflicker where he places him all the time but Mayweather is at least in the top 30 range i feel safe in saying that.

[Silkeyjoe]

Look the fact is he beat the top guys in 130 and 135 then at 147 he beat the top guys at the time. At 154 he beat Cotto, Ginger and Hoya top guys at that weight class one the mw champ now. When he came back he beat Jmm with ease same guy who went on to get robbed against pac then knock him out. Mayweather is atg not the greatest but a atg anyone who thinks others wise is a tool and knows nothing of boxing. You do not have to have him as the greatest but to say he is not a atg means you should pack your shit and look for a new sport to watch.

Mayweather is a Hall of famer not an all time great I struggle to see him breaking the top 25 if not 30

To resort to the old "you know nothing about boxing" is just sad and forums are meant for debating the sport right you have opinion, I have an opinion. But debate like an adult son

What do you mean? top 25 or 30 of all time? Surely that makes him an ATG then?

[cnote111]

For the sake of the Thread.. Let's say everyone was at fault except for Mayweather on the opponents he hasn't faced... With that being said the end result is still the same... There are a lot of names that he never faced and when discussing an ATG, we have to look at the big picture. He most likely would've beaten them all, but it didn't happen that way. In his era, probably the best - But not for All Time. Too many question marks.

[Beanflicker]

There are a lot of names that he never faced and when discussing an ATG, we have to look at the big picture. He most likely would've beaten them all, but it didn't happen that way. In his era, probably the best - But not for All Time. Too many question marks.

So what is the conclusion? Because he never fought Manny, 18 years of undefeated boxing including 16 years as a champ means nothing?

[Beanflicker]

I think it's pretty hypocritical to produce a list of 3-4 guys who Floyd never fought and say "look, he never fought these guys so there's too many question marks around his career to rank him".

Then, in the same breath, we bring up ye olde timers who fought in a time where we KNOW you didn't get your shot unless you agreed to play ball with the mob, we KNOW guys were discriminated against and missed their shots because of the colour of their skin, we KNOW that access to information was in the stone age compared to now so guys could easily be buried and never heard from if they weren't connected... and we talk like the old timers fought every threat they could have? If you believe that, you're living in a fantasy world and you don't know your boxing history.

Read Jake Lamotta's book. Read "Somebody Up There Likes Me" by Rocky Graziano. There was a PLETHORA of young, mean black fighters that nobody would touch - including connected black fighters like Sugar Ray Robinson.

Jake Lamotta himself said that a lot of these guys (some of whom Jake had to fight because he wouldn't play ball with the mob) would have handed the champions of the time their ass in the ring, but would never get the chance because they weren't connected and they weren't the right colour. For a guy who had been in the ring with the great SRR 6 times to say that, that carries some weight.

People don't want to hear shit like that thought. They want to put on their rose-coloured glasses and look back at the old days of boxing when men were men and they fought only the best competition, because they're undying love for boxing mandated that they never avoid anyone and never take an easy fight for the money.

It's pure idiocy.

[cnote111]

There are a lot of names that he never faced and when discussing an ATG, we have to look at the big picture. He most likely would've beaten them all, but it didn't happen that way. In his era, probably the best - But not for All Time. Too many question marks.

So what is the conclusion? Because he never fought Manny, 18 years of undefeated boxing including 16 years as a champ means nothing?

Sorry for the late reply...

The conclusion is he has left us with too many ?'s to be tagged the TBE, and the ATG Title is a perspective on how many do you want to include in the list... Hall of Famers the list will go on and on..> But an ATG the line has to be drawn somewhere. Top 5, Top 10 - How many do we allow to be included in this list? Maybe when he retires and time creates perspective we may see a shift in opinion.

[erics44]

I had a look at floyds record again and I am now of the opinion that he ducked manny