Can you imagine Louis/Ali/Holmes being beaten by...

[X]

If one judge had called the fight different by one point, you might well be asking whether we could see Wlad or Larry being beaten by Doug Jones.

[IamInuit]

If one judge had called the fight different by one point, you might well be asking whether we could see Wlad or Larry being beaten by Doug Jones.

Indeed. Ali got points for the rope a dope, talking to his opponent and shaking his head when he was punched in the face. And with Jimmy Young he must have gotten 5 rds before he entered the ring.

This is the tale of two Wlads. Pre clinch and post clinch. He never knew how to clinch before spending some time with Manny because in reality its illegal and yet a major advantage for those who know how and when to use it. His big brother was just as sloppy but he had an iron chin. That uppercut Lewis landed off the clinch would have decapitated a normal human.

Trouble is, Wlad now clinches, paws and leans to much and his fights are impossible to watch. He fights like a set of drapes.

If you examine the records objectively the records of Holmes and Louis ie: the quality of opponents are not better then Wlads. Holmes never beat one threatening prime heavyweight in his career outside of Cooney and Snipes and a few young wet behind the ears upstarts and even robbed one of them.

[Silkeyjoe]

If Ali was as good as Wlad we would be calling Fraizer, Foreman, Liston, Patterson etc bums

[Spicoli]

I think on any giving night Corrie Sanders had the hand speed and pop to hurt any of the 3. Every fighter has some skeletons in the closet and while Wlad is stacking up a couple of limp payday sparring sessions as of late, he is a superior boxer to the one who gassed and panicked way back when.

[ykdadamaja]

I think on any giving night Corrie Sanders had the hand speed and pop to hurt any of the 3. Every fighter has some skeletons in the closet and while Wlad is stacking up a couple of limp payday sparring sessions as of late, he is a superior boxer to the one who gassed and panicked way back when.

On a good night Hasim Rahman had the pop to hurt any of the 3. Give me a break. We're talking about skill and heart, here.

[ykdadamaja]

I just don't see Ali, Louis, Tyson, Holmes, Bowe or even Lewis being beaten by either of them in their prime. Sorry...

[Ron Swanson]

I just don't see Ali, Louis, Tyson, Holmes, Bowe or even Lewis being beaten by either of them in their prime. Sorry...

Ah, so you feel the need to cheat the comparison by using their primes and comparing it against Wlad when Wlad wasn't in his prime. In other words you think Wlad is really good or else you wouldn't need to stack the deck. Got it.

[Silkeyjoe]

I just don't see Ali, Louis, Tyson, Holmes, Bowe or even Lewis being beaten by either of them in their prime. Sorry...

Tyson lost to Williams and McBride, Ali lost to Berbeck and Spinks, Lewis lost to Rahman and McCall as did Holmes and Louis lost to Schmelling. I dont see Wlad losing to any of them in his prime which has been the past 10 years not the Wlad who lost earlier in his career

[Spicoli]

I think on any giving night Corrie Sanders had the hand speed and pop to hurt any of the 3. Every fighter has some skeletons in the closet and while Wlad is stacking up a couple of limp payday sparring sessions as of late, he is a superior boxer to the one who gassed and panicked way back when.

On a good night Hasim Rahman had the pop to hurt any of the 3. Give me a break. We're talking about skill and heart, here.

Skill and heart are probably the biggest dysfunctional relationship and inner conflict known to a boxer. You think any of the 3 were showing tremendous 'skill' when being jaw jacked by a Galento, a Jones or Cooper and a Renaldo Snipes?

Anyone with questions about a Sanders heart should check out his war with Rahman. Rahman ironically who said he had never been hit like that in his life!

[greynotsoold]

If Corrie Sanders came out firing, I think he has a shot against any of those three. He was big, strong and hit fast and hard (until he tired) and he was a southpaw. Louis never fought one, I don't think Holmes did, either. Ali fought Mildenberger but that was a different fighter. In the good old days, southpaws either saw the light or they drowned them. So the surviving lefties, while very rare, were real tough.