Leonard-Hearns 1989 Supermiddles-vs-2014 Top Dogs. Fact.

[Primo Carnera]

although I appreciate the glamour of the fab 4 and the historical relevance of the period - they will always be rated a lot more highly than they probably actually should be


id like to see them all fight each other, new and old, id like to see some of the SMWs from periods in between join in too


seems leonard and hearns and co are always considered the best but im not so sure, the 90s and early 00s supermiddleweights might have something to say about that too

But it wasn't just about SMW for these guys. Before they even got to that weight, every single one of them had achieved more in their careers than ANY of the modern day guys that were mentioned. They went up to those weights because there was nothing else to achieve lower down. SMW was probably the least significant part of all their careers. It's like they were ATG's twice over and had 2 careers each!

[Master]

Leonard should not be considered a real super and light heavyweight. He was very selective who he chose as @Silkeyjoe said but Hearns was more natural at the higher weights. The new super middleweights may have won particularly Ward and a young Kessler but they were not greater than them p4p.

[erics44]

although I appreciate the glamour of the fab 4 and the historical relevance of the period - they will always be rated a lot more highly than they probably actually should be


id like to see them all fight each other, new and old, id like to see some of the SMWs from periods in between join in too


seems leonard and hearns and co are always considered the best but im not so sure, the 90s and early 00s supermiddleweights might have something to say about that too

But it wasn't just about SMW for these guys. Before they even got to that weight, every single one of them had achieved more in their careers than ANY of the modern day guys that were mentioned. They went up to those weights because there was nothing else to achieve lower down. SMW was probably the least significant part of all their careers. It's like they were ATG's twice over and had 2 careers each!

yeah I appreciate that, and something that all adds to the fairy tail


it was a fantastic time for boxing with 4 fighters making a massive contribution


all this makes people look back with rose tinted glasses tho and any conversation about who would win, them 4 or any other fighter from any other era and the answers from many is always the same

[Mr140]

Right now the 147, 154 and 160 are so weak i do not think the glasses are ross tinted. I mean for fuck sake Cotto mw champion right now thats not a strong division Cotto good but please. Pac had close fights with Bradley and got leveled by career fw and lw in jmm who was also 40 years old. Mayweather in his last fight won but went tooth and nail with a man who not going into the books i do not think we have improved much from the 80's really. Only reason hw's can win now is the size difference kinda changes the game but at these weight classes i do not feel the craft has gone way up at all really just the pay for some fighters. Hearns was pretty good at lhw and smw but this era pretty good right now at 168 not the best but pretty strong and Leonard had ok wins at the weight but he really was nothing after mw just doing money fights.

[Mark TKO]

Just watched the whole fight again . Wow I never remembered the fight being this good.

I remember thinking way back Hearns was robbed but , though I had him maybe 1 up (2 max) I can see how it was a draw.

[Master]

Just watched the whole fight again . Wow I never remembered the fight being this good.

I remember thinking way back Hearns was robbed but , though I had him maybe 1 up (2 max) I can see how it was a draw.

You are an idiot.

[Mark TKO]

you know where I am

[Master]

you know where I am

Yes in idiotville.