Official Thread: Canelo Alvarez-Erislandy Lara

[ElTerribleMorales]

Cotto moves better than Lara, and has better offense, he'd outbox the fuck out the ginger

[OumaFan]

I'm struggling to be outraged by this. 115-113 was probably the right score, regardless of who won, but the rounds were so close that I could make a solid case for 117-111 either way.

[bcollins]

A lot of those close rounds are probably judged by stylistic preference. I don't necessarily prefer the puncher/brawler, but I really can't stand the move halfway across the ring, throw a punch or two, then move back to the other side of the ring style. It's like watching tennis.

[Gandalf]

LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.

[OumaFan]

LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.

Nah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.

There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.

[bcollins]

LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.

Nah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.

There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.

I'd say that's not a problem, especially given the style. It's really the only practical punch to use consistently against someone using that much movement.

[OumaFan]

LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.

Nah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.

There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.

Correction: There was not one single dominant round in that fight.

If we're stretching it (and I would demand more money for this), I could argue 120-108 for either guy.

Very tough fight to score.

[ElTerribleMorales]

LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.

Nah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.

There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.

Correction: There was not one single dominant round in that fight.

If we're stretching it (and I would demand more money for this), I could argue 120-108 for either guy.

Very tough fight to score.

Lara DOMINATED the first 3 and then clearly won the 5th, and IMO the 8th, that's 5 rounds in his favor, so how the hell could he be down 6 points?

[OumaFan]

120-108 was me being kind of facetious, but Lara didn't dominate a single round. Lara himself wouldn't say he dominated a single round. Well, yes he would, but he would be utterly full of shit. Or have no idea what the word dominate means.

I was rooting for him fully, but he was too defensive. He can have no complaints (he'll complain).

He could have gotten off first, thrown two or three punches once Canelo got set, and then turned him. But he was too defensive, and the most meaningful punches of the fight were Canelo body shots.

[Gandalf]

LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.

Nah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.

There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.

Correction: There was not one single dominant round in that fight.

If we're stretching it (and I would demand more money for this), I could argue 120-108 for either guy.

Very tough fight to score.

Lara DOMINATED the first 3 and then clearly won the 5th, and IMO the 8th, that's 5 rounds in his favor, so how the hell could he be down 6 points?

Exactly. I have no issues with 2 of the cards, but that final card in particular is beyond any redemption. 117-111 did not happen and I assume most views will reflect that. Close fight perhaps, but to score a one sided fight? That is just gibberish. Too much of the Oscar powder methinks.

[OumaFan]

LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.

Nah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.

There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.

Correction: There was not one single dominant round in that fight.

If we're stretching it (and I would demand more money for this), I could argue 120-108 for either guy.

Very tough fight to score.

Lara DOMINATED the first 3 and then clearly won the 5th, and IMO the 8th, that's 5 rounds in his favor, so how the hell could he be down 6 points?

I'm just quoting this to point out that someone thought that Lara DOMINATED the first 3 rounds. What in the holy fuck?

[Gandalf]

LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.

Nah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.

There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.

I had it undeniably 3-0 Lara after 3. Then I scored the fourth for Canelo. Thereafter I was obstructed by technical issues, but judged the rounds as fairly as the means could merit. I definitely saw Canelo come on in the middle rounds, but Lara came back strongly. Not in a million years could I ever see a case for 117-111 unless it was a White House spokesperson or the North Korean national press. I think most people can make at least a case for a close fight, but I saw 6 rounds that were relatively easy to score in Lara's favour. Now if he didn't win any other rounds, then fine, a draw, or if you are against me, a close Canelo win, but no sane person would ever produce 117-111. That is Federal Reserve behavior. Martinez should go into banking where he can work for not just one dildo crazed cokehead, but a whole plethora of them.

[IamInuit]

LEVI MARTINEZ you should apply for a job at the Federal Reserve. 117-111? Insanity.

Nah. If you gave me 100 bucks I could write up a detailed, persuasive account of why each guy should have won that fight 117-111.

There were almost zero dominant rounds. Alvarez won (and it wasn't by any means a robbery) without landing a single meaningful head shot.

And I could do the same for a one point fight so it comes down to reason. Its not reasonable to score that fight 117/111 in any way shape or form based on a 10 point must system. I thought Lara won by a point or two and would have settled for a draw or a close split either way but once again the Martinez card stinks of a rubber stamp. Someone may be able to attempt an explanation as to why it was a 117/111 fight but it wouldn't be rational.

[Spicoli]

At the scorecards....

[Violent Demise]

I'm struggling to be outraged by this. 115-113 was probably the right score, regardless of who won, but the rounds were so close that I could make a solid case for 117-111 either way.

Pretty much. Lara is a good fighter. It was always gonna be a close fight. But Alvarez won. And I think it was deserved. People seem to forget or maybe just plain don't know that body shots counts as much head shots