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I would classify Holmes and Ali as athletes first. Holmes wasn't the athlete Ali was but he was enough of an athlete to dominate the heavies.Originally Posted by johnsebastianmiran
I'm just giving you my opinion, I am not saying you are wrong.
Norton and Shavers were athletes in other sports but when the came to boxing they were mostly punchers: boxers.
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How about Floyd, how would you classify him, boxer or athlete first or 50-50. Maybe not classifiable.
How about athlete first with a boxing IQ setting at 750.
How about Manny?
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Hopkins, damn how would you classify this fighter?
Boxer first with a boxing IQ setting at 500. The thing is he has lasted so long, how can you say he isn't an outstanding athlete too?
Hopkins
50-50 athlete/boxer with boxing IQ of 500.
Compare him to Brandon Rios.
Boxer first with boxing IQ that flutters between 75 and 100.
I would rather watch Rios, Gatti, Alvarado, Manny, M Tyson, Lewis, Froch, Wald, T Crawford, just about anyone before Hopkins.
I'm not saying he isn't a phenom, but he leaves me cold.
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Joe Calzaghe is a boxer
Hopkins is a boxer
Floyd Mayweather is a boxer
Ali and Holmes are boxers
Rigo is a boxer
Dirrell is a boxer
Manny Pacquaiu is an athlete
Froch is an athlete
Frank Bruno is an athlete
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Soooooo...you want to punch it out today, eh? Lol
Seriously, every opinion is valid in this thread. How can anyone definitively say a fighter is more this or that?
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Julio Cesar Chavez just boxed. Sammy Fuentes was a tri-athelete.Chavez beat him up. In one of the only astute comments in a very long career, Larry Merchant pointed out that "They don't hit you in a triathalon."
Just a dude in blue.
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Maybe Tye would have had much more success sticking as a starter for SDSU B- ball
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Definitely not an athletic boxer! When they come late to boxing from another sport they are usually boxers.
What do you think of Wald? Compared to the the rest of the big guys he looks pretty athletic.
Wald, boxer first IMO.
Just a dude in blue.
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I'm thinking in more literal terms I guess but I'd label Wlad athlete more so. But not his brother so much, just styles. Ultimate case would be Wlad vs Sanders athlete vs boxer. Chris Byrd athlete? Maybe a Bruce Seldon type an athlete...though stamina was horrible.Definitely not an athletic boxer! When they come late to boxing from another sport they are usually boxers.
What do you think of Wald? Compared to the the rest of the big guys he looks pretty athletic.
Wald, boxer first IMO.
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That line can be pretty fine my friend. Its almost a which came first the chicken or the egg kind of question. I'd wager for example that Meldrick Taylor was a natural athlete and most likely a guy picked first in any kind of scrimmage growing up. Same with Jones. The kind of hand/eye coordination and reflexes that make you think they are sporting compound eyes. Calzaghe also and guys like Ali, Leonard, Whitaker,Locche,Pep, Burley, Floyd. Many fighters are both and some like Roy rely on those naturally athletic gifts more than their boxing skills. Roy barely showed a jab his entire career. I cant think of another fighter in history that could have even reached gate keeper status w/o a decent one let alone dominating the sport for a decade. He had one, that was clear in the Paz fight but he never needed it.
I think of guys like Froch and Hopkins the other way. They were not born with the same athletic gifts but worked hard at their craft and found a place in it through grit and good ole boxing fundamentals combined a Lamotta like mentality of trench warfare. I agree with @Beanflicker. It would be tough to separate the two in many cases and put one or the other on different sides of the room.
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You are right as always I would put meldrick Taylor predominantly as a boxer.That line can be pretty fine my friend. Its almost a which came first the chicken or the egg kind of question. I'd wager for example that Meldrick Taylor was a natural athlete and most likely a guy picked first in any kind of scrimmage growing up. Same with Jones. The kind of hand/eye coordination and reflexes that make you think they are sporting compound eyes. Calzaghe also and guys like Ali, Leonard, Whitaker,Locche,Pep, Burley, Floyd. Many fighters are both and some like Roy rely on those naturally athletic gifts more than their boxing skills. Roy barely showed a jab his entire career. I cant think of another fighter in history that could have even reached gate keeper status w/o a decent one let alone dominating the sport for a decade. He had one, that was clear in the Paz fight but he never needed it.
I think of guys like Froch and Hopkins the other way. They were not born with the same athletic gifts but worked hard at their craft and found a place in it through grit and good ole boxing fundamentals combined a Lamotta like mentality of trench warfare. I agree with @Beanflicker. It would be tough to separate the two in many cases and put one or the other on different sides of the room.
What about Evander Holyfield?
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I could see both Holyfield and Bruno being a little clumsy in other sports and also their skills being learned rather then being a result of natural athletic ability. Holy also had a good boxing brain imo like Hopkins witch evens things out. Most likely also based on experience. The real athletic guys get away with all kinds of stuff and the technical defensive wizards like Floyd are born. Sr and uncle Roger may have got him behind the shoulder as a toddler but the rest is all Floyd. Incredible boxer but also a great athlete. Its a real tough question because I'm not sure where the demarcation line is or if it exists at all aside from freaks like Jones and Armstrong among a handful of others.You are right as always I would put meldrick Taylor predominantly as a boxer.That line can be pretty fine my friend. Its almost a which came first the chicken or the egg kind of question. I'd wager for example that Meldrick Taylor was a natural athlete and most likely a guy picked first in any kind of scrimmage growing up. Same with Jones. The kind of hand/eye coordination and reflexes that make you think they are sporting compound eyes. Calzaghe also and guys like Ali, Leonard, Whitaker,Locche,Pep, Burley, Floyd. Many fighters are both and some like Roy rely on those naturally athletic gifts more than their boxing skills. Roy barely showed a jab his entire career. I cant think of another fighter in history that could have even reached gate keeper status w/o a decent one let alone dominating the sport for a decade. He had one, that was clear in the Paz fight but he never needed it.
I think of guys like Froch and Hopkins the other way. They were not born with the same athletic gifts but worked hard at their craft and found a place in it through grit and good ole boxing fundamentals combined a Lamotta like mentality of trench warfare. I agree with @Beanflicker. It would be tough to separate the two in many cases and put one or the other on different sides of the room.
What about Evander Holyfield?
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Duran and Hearns, boxers first.
What about Sugar Ray Leonard?
Athlete first or 50-50 in my opinion.
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Agreed about Duran and Hearns being boxers.
Leonard was a boxer too.
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How about Henry Armstrong, boxer first or athlete first.
I think he was an athlete first. When there were only 8 belts, Armstrong held three of them for a while in the 30s.
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