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People are so busy bickering about the origin of cause that they are ignoring the effects. That is actually the story of our species. Extinction just cant come soon enough. The ultimate measure of our successes.
I couldn't agree more. We shouldn't waste time arguing about the cause when we should be discussing ways to reverse the trend. But there's clearly a lot of money influencing opinions,
and unfortunately, a lot of people care more about their precious wealth than the well-being of the species and the planet. All it takes is some big words, a few pretty graphs, and the uneducated among us feel like there's nothing to worry about. Halting the spread of scientific misinformation and the manipulation it engenders requires basic scientific education. People need to learn how to recognize good science from bad science - and that isn't easy.
So have real scientists proven without doubt that it is co2 thats the problem what about other gases?

You just said we shouldnt waist time arguing the cause, we have real problems and we need to reverse the trend.

I agree. But we have Jets and people to move, thousands of them running 24 hours a day all year, it isnt going to stop. We have shaved lands, filled with beef that emit pure methane and we have no trees there to reproduce oxygen.

Taxing carbon emissions from industry isnt going to fix any of that stuff in reality; because industry and transport will plough on regardless and pay their cash in fines and buy credits from companies who have access ones who havent reached their quota.

Then we have a fair few continual volcanoes per year that produce all sorts of other gasses into the air and others lately that just go off, we cant do zip about them.

Do they count in the figures and do they outweigh industry?

Being theres a number of problems and anyone with half a brain can see that nature is dieing off and in the least,forms of it are changing all around us.

So as 'real scientists' (not paid off ones from within industry).

Aside from figures, have you guys got any real working answers yet?