Enough - No more apologies for evil

**Beanz** · 08-12-2014 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Gandalf

I agree.

People have a right to resist occupation, but all I am seeing are violent occupiers who are carrying out the bulk of the violence all over the place. Like anyone, I just want peace and fairness for all. Unfortunately our political systems are firmly opposed to peace and fund, train, and support bloodshed. If it isn't physical violence it is economic violence and regardless of a head being cut off or an old man freezing to death in his home, it is all wrong.

I look at Iraq and what has happened to it over the past 30 years and it is a constant attack and the people of Iraq are just people. Did they ask for any of this? It is generations of people that we have made suffer. The decades of sanctions, the bombing, the invasion, and now actively creating a group of extremists who are chopping people up? This is so bad. What have we done with this absurd war on 'terror'? We know exactly who the terrorists are, can we please lock them up? A nice long trial, with facts and evidence presented. No bodies dumped in the ocean, no drones, just proper rule of law and justice.

It took you only seconds to apologise and excuse the murdering scum of ISIS.

**Gandalf** · 08-12-2014 02:08 PM

No, I condemn it, but that doesn't mean I will ignore the source. Israel is wrong for destroying Gaza, but it couldn't do so without US support. The same goes for ISIS who have been in Iraq for MONTHS. If you throw a snake into the bedroom of the child are you not responsible for that child getting bitten? It doesn't mean that I am making excuses for the snake as a snake is a snake and I clearly don't like children being attacked and killed.

ISIS are vile and nobody can excuse nor justify them. Please don't try to put words in my mouth. All I am saying is that it is a bit rich for Obama to try and be the hero, when ISIS have been there for months and we know exactly how ISIS came about and to be targeting them with only a handful of strikes. Well, it's all fishy is all I'm saying.

It's all wrong. ISIS is wrong.

**ryanman** · 08-12-2014 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Gandalf

No, I condemn it, but that doesn't mean I will ignore the source. Israel is wrong for destroying Gaza, but it couldn't do so without US support. The same goes for ISIS who have been in Iraq for MONTHS. If you throw a snake into the bedroom of the child are you not responsible for that child getting bitten? It doesn't mean that I am making excuses for the snake as a snake is a snake and I clearly don't like children being attacked and killed.

ISIS are vile and nobody can excuse nor justify them. Please don't try to put words in my mouth. All I am saying is that it is a bit rich for Obama to try and be the hero, when ISIS have been there for months and we know exactly how ISIS came about and to be targeting them with only a handful of strikes. Well, it's all fishy is all I'm saying.

It's all wrong. ISIS is wrong.

I agree, and see clearly you are not apologising for ISIS. It might be a bit rich from Obama but better than that not getting involved now so as not to be a hypocrite.

**Gandalf** · 08-12-2014 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by ryanman

Originally Posted by Gandalf

No, I condemn it, but that doesn't mean I will ignore the source. Israel is wrong for destroying Gaza, but it couldn't do so without US support. The same goes for ISIS who have been in Iraq for MONTHS. If you throw a snake into the bedroom of the child are you not responsible for that child getting bitten? It doesn't mean that I am making excuses for the snake as a snake is a snake and I clearly don't like children being attacked and killed.

ISIS are vile and nobody can excuse nor justify them. Please don't try to put words in my mouth. All I am saying is that it is a bit rich for Obama to try and be the hero, when ISIS have been there for months and we know exactly how ISIS came about and to be targeting them with only a handful of strikes. Well, it's all fishy is all I'm saying.

It's all wrong. ISIS is wrong.

I agree, and see clearly you are not apologising for ISIS. It might be a bit rich from Obama but better than that not getting involved now so as not to be a hypocrite.

I think Obama has to get involved, but right now it's all about protecting US positions and the oil. It should be about the people! Before they go to these countries, they should fully understand them and use that in an effort to rebuild. Instead they always leave the countries in a mess and in this instance planned for ISIS to come and riot. The priorities in these things are always wrong. In this instance get some troops out there and fight then hard and learn that you never train and arm mentalists ever again! It's such a shame for the Iraqi's. It's 30 years of constant abuse caused by us, and that doesn't make me or any of us feel very good.

**Spicoli** · 08-12-2014 05:18 PM

It is all very much insane and butchery. We are using million dollar munitions to destroy single 2 thousand dollar Nissans loaded with religious mentalist who look forward to dying more spectacularly than the next guy. I think Iraq will go down as one of the biggest blunders in the last century and we no longer fight forces and arms but a mind set where they hardly need neither to gain and grow.