Wow Robin Williams Dies

[El Kabong]

I just can't come to grips with the overall acceptance/legitimization/glorification of suicide.

I understand what mental illness and depression are, but it's hard for me to not find it completely selfish and cowardly when a mind capable of rational thought - regardless of how troubled it is - decides to commit suicide, knowing full well the extensive, LASTING psychological damage you're going to inflict on your loved ones and people who depend on you.

When it's shown in the media, we are told to feel bad for the suicide "victim". We talk about suicide like it is an inevitable conclusion for a lost/troubled soul, and not a conscious decision. I call bullshit.

The whole world is so scared of being stigmatized as ignorant, unsympathetic, ect that we are forced to swallow a lot of bullshit because it's the popular thing to believe. No thanks. The real victims are his family and friends, who will live the rest of their lives with the pain of wondering "did I do enough? Could I have saved him? Did I not show him enough love? Was I not there for him when he needed me?", ect.

That's mental illness for you though, people who are suffering from depression or other mental illnesses don't stop and think about how suicide can torture the people that love them...or about how it will affect them emotionally, psychologically. The depressed don't think of suicide as such a selfish gesture, but rather as the only way out. They feel like their only chance at stopping the downward spiral is to stop life itself....the only way to put the brakes on the world is by getting out of it.


Suicide is the most selfish thing a person can do...it takes no guts to do that, it takes guts to wake up each day and live, face your adversity head on. That's brave, that takes courage...but we are mere mortals, we can break, and things like this happen. I hate that someone so funny, so caring, such a loving person thought that this was his only way....people would have given Robin anything, shirts right off their backs!

But part of the trouble with humans is that very seldom can we see ourselves the way our loved ones see us....this is all a shame.

[Gandalf]

Bullshit. You are speculating and know nothing. You can only take it on a case by case basis. And you are making too many guesses.

Plus the humanitarian Lyle has nothing in common with 'they deserve to die' Lyle.

[El Kabong]

Bullshit. You are speculating and know nothing. You can only take it on a case by case basis. And you are making too many guesses.

Plus the humanitarian Lyle has nothing in common with 'they deserve to die' Lyle.

Alright

Humanitarian in regards to normal, everyday people not psycho nutjobs who teach their kids to saw heads off of people....pretty huge difference there miles if you cared to notice. Those people in the Islamic State believe in suicide as a means to kill innocent people AND get their way. Robin Williams was battling depression.

I know you're smarter than that miles

[Master]

He was brilliant in Mork and Mindy loved him as a kid. Saw him do stand up and he was brilliant

Good morning Vietnam, Jumanji, Bicentennial man, Good Will Hunting – RIP legend.

[Gandalf]

We have arguably negotiated peace and being pretty tired that's enough for me.

Godnight, all.

[Beanflicker]

He was a fantastic talent - a known joke thief, but a funny, talented guy none the less. Him committing suicide doesn't change my opinion that he was a comedic juggernaut, great actor, and by all accounts a warm, loving, overall good dude.

My thoughts on suicide are pretty concrete though. I 100% support the stuff Jack Kevorkian was doing. We all should have the right to decide whether or not we want to live anymore, and if you're terminally ill, in constant pain, ect I think there's nothing wrong with it and probably something I would avail of myself if I was in that situation.

People always say "well you didn't know what he/she was going through", "you should walk a mile in their shoes" and other cliches. FUCK THAT. I don't care what anyone is going through mentally, whether it is hard times or actual clinical depression. If you have a family and loved ones, you owe it to them to plough through and try to work your shit out.

I read a quote where someone compared a depressed person committing suicide to a person who jumps out of a burning building to their death because they can't handle the fire/smoke. I just don't see it that way and I don't care who thinks I'm ignorant. Man up and work your shit out.

[Gandalf]

He was a fantastic talent - a known joke thief, but a funny, talented guy none the less. Him committing suicide doesn't change my opinion that he was a comedic juggernaut, great actor, and by all accounts a warm, loving, overall good dude.

My thoughts on suicide are pretty concrete though. I 100% support the stuff Jack Kevorkian was doing. We all should have the right to decide whether or not we want to live anymore, and if you're terminally ill, in constant pain, ect I think there's nothing wrong with it and probably something I would avail of myself if I was in that situation.

People always say "well you didn't know what he/she was going through", "you should walk a mile in their shoes" and other cliches. FUCK THAT. I don't care what anyone is going through mentally, whether it is hard times or actual clinical depression. If you have a family and loved ones, you owe it to them to plough through and try to work your shit out.

I read a quote where someone compared a depressed person committing suicide to a person who jumps out of a burning building to their death because they can't handle the fire/smoke. I just don't see it that way and I don't care who thinks I'm ignorant. Man up and work your shit out.

Bollocks. Unless you have put 30 stitches in your arm or cut your neck, then who are you to judge? Maybe you just don't understand depression. It is very complex and emerges from all kinds of experiences. Unless you have the same scars, then you likely don't understand the mind that can commit suicide.

[Beanflicker]

Bollocks. Unless you have put 30 stitches in your arm or cut your neck, then who are you to judge? Maybe you just don't understand depression. It is very complex and emerges from all kinds of experiences. Unless you have the same scars, then you likely don't understand the mind that can commit suicide.

Yeah? Do I also have to have lusted sexually for little kids to judge pedophiles? Do I have to have tried to murder someone before I can judge murderers?

Do I have to study culinary arts before I can comment about the food I eat at a restaurant?

The whole "who are you to judge" thing that ALWAYS comes up is nonsense and is the biggest cop out.

No one is saying depression is a cake walk. I'm saying it doesn't justify suicide. Never. It's selfish and I don't care how much pain you are or you think you are in. Selfish, self-centered. The coward's way out.

[ryanman]

He was a fantastic talent - a known joke thief, but a funny, talented guy none the less. Him committing suicide doesn't change my opinion that he was a comedic juggernaut, great actor, and by all accounts a warm, loving, overall good dude.

My thoughts on suicide are pretty concrete though. I 100% support the stuff Jack Kevorkian was doing. We all should have the right to decide whether or not we want to live anymore, and if you're terminally ill, in constant pain, ect I think there's nothing wrong with it and probably something I would avail of myself if I was in that situation.

People always say "well you didn't know what he/she was going through", "you should walk a mile in their shoes" and other cliches. FUCK THAT. I don't care what anyone is going through mentally, whether it is hard times or actual clinical depression. If you have a family and loved ones, you owe it to them to plough through and try to work your shit out.

I read a quote where someone compared a depressed person committing suicide to a person who jumps out of a burning building to their death because they can't handle the fire/smoke. I just don't see it that way and I don't care who thinks I'm ignorant. Man up and work your shit out.

You're ignorant.

By the way 'Hard times' and depression are in no way comparable.

[El Kabong]

Depression can get it's hooks in you and drag you to a level where you don't know your ass from your elbow...and it can happen in an instant. People who don't understand that need to be aware of it at least if for nothing else knowing how to react if someone they love is going through such a time.

Depression doesn't just attack the weak, it attacks people who assume they are strong, it attacks people who ARE strong, people with friends, people without friends, it doesn't discriminate.

Imagine the saddest you have ever been, turn that up a few hundred notches, and then heap on some anxiety and then put things just enough out of sync to where you have more arguments, more misunderstandings, you can't sleep, you have no energy, you can't focus, your mind races.....and to know that you may never come out of that state......it'll break you if you let it.

People can describe the feeling different ways, it's like drowning, it's like being crushed, it's like having a bad premonition that you can't stop...imagine your brain reenacting the throws of death an antelope goes through as a cheetah suffocates it or a crocodile drags it into the river.....those few seconds of struggle, panic, fear....that's what can run through someone's brain for days, weeks, months at a time.

It's not pleasant for those suffering with it, nor for those around that person....suicide is selfish, but think about the pain one has to go through to push them to that extreme...it's anguish

[Beanflicker]

You're ignorant.

By the way 'Hard times' and depression are in no way comparable.

How am I ignorant, and where in my post did I say that hard times = depression?