Enough - No more apologies for evil

[brocktonblockbust]

Ffs.

It's not Isis fault, it's the west

It's not the 9/11 terrorists fault, it's the west

It's not Putins fault, it's the west

Can you see a pattern emerging?

It's not Hamas fault, it's Isreal

It's not Hitters fault, it's the Jews

It's not Saddams fault,it's the kurds

Quit apologising and looking for easy scapegoats to justify evil people.

It is the fault of Isis. Shame on them.
The guilt lies with those who use terror indiscriminately, shame on them.
Those whose actions mark them out as inhumane should not be afforded leeway as a special case as though the actions of others excuses them acting like nasty evil fuckers.

face value I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. BUT THIS IS OVERSIMLIPFYING A VERY DYNAMIC AND MULTI-FACETED SITUATION WITH NUANCES (whoops I had caps locked) of elements all mixining into one royal pile of confusing shit. For me and some others here, it is easy to see the equally evil influences of the west and israel in all this mess. WWho is more evil here? The actor or the reactor? Chicken or the egg? "I'm the victim" "No, I'm the victim". Beanz there is no black and white and as much as I wish there were, there will never be black and white. BOTH sides thuink they are white, and that their opponenets are black. AD INFINITUM.

[Dia bando]

Ffs.

It's not Isis fault, it's the west

It's not the 9/11 terrorists fault, it's the west

It's not Putins fault, it's the west

Can you see a pattern emerging?

It's not Hamas fault, it's Isreal

It's not Hitters fault, it's the Jews

It's not Saddams fault,it's the kurds

Quit apologising and looking for easy scapegoats to justify evil people.

It is the fault of Isis. Shame on them.
The guilt lies with those who use terror indiscriminately, shame on them.
Those whose actions mark them out as inhumane should not be afforded leeway as a special case as though the actions of others excuses them acting like nasty evil fuckers.

face value I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. BUT THIS IS OVERSIMLIPFYING A VERY DYNAMIC AND MULTI-FACETED SITUATION WITH NUANCES (whoops I had caps locked) of elements all mixining into one royal pile of confusing shit. For me and some others here, it is easy to see the equally evil influences of the west and israel in all this mess. WWho is more evil here? The actor or the reactor? Chicken or the egg? "I'm the victim" "No, I'm the victim". Beanz there is no black and white and as much as I wish there were, there will never be black and white. BOTH sides thuink they are white, and that their opponenets are black. AD INFINITUM.

Brock you have hit the nail on the head mate, perpetrator or victim, are theses roles changing
from week to week beanz, what do you think,! no mater what 2 wrongs don't make a right.
But the horrific inhuman acts have to stop, we agree on that the beheading of people is something
from the dark ages.
After the 2and World War, we had War crime trials, and many evil people were executed, and deservedly so, the World and society are a much safer place with out them.
Do you think the one's that have carried out theses acts, should pay the price and dealt with in
the same manner.?

[ryanman]

I think Beanz is saying that when you go to lengths to explain and add reason to these acts (even if you also condemn them) you are in a sense justifying them. But there is no justification.
They behead or bury alive Iraqi citizens of different sects because of the West's foreign policy?
That does not explain these acts. That is not a sequence of events that even makes sense. They do this because they are beyond warped.

Saying the US aided the rise of ISIS is right. Not arguing there. But that is not what warped these people.

It certainly isn't black and white, and I not one for seeing things from a west-centric point of view generally, but I also don't buy into this 1+1 = 10000000000 stuff, ie Evil West + Normal Muslims = murderous butchering Muslims. No. These guys would be evil no matter what injustices they have perceived.

Some people need reminding that the West are not always the do gooder good guys, but equally others need to remember that Muslims are not always the innocent victims simply resisting oppression.

[Dia bando]

I think Beanz is saying that when you go to lengths to explain and add reason to these acts (even if you also condemn them) you are in a sense justifying them. But there is no justification.
They behead or bury alive Iraqi citizens of different sects because of the West's foreign policy?
That does not explain these acts. That is not a sequence of events that even makes sense. They do this because they are beyond warped.

Saying the US aided the rise of ISIS is right. Not arguing there. But that is not what warped these people.

It certainly isn't black and white, and I not one for seeing things from a west-centric point of view generally, but I also don't buy into this 1+1 = 10000000000 stuff, ie Evil West + Normal Muslims = murderous butchering Muslims. No. These guys would be evil no matter what injustices they have perceived.

Some people need reminding that the West are not always the do gooder good guys, but equally others need to remember that Muslims are not always the innocent victims simply resisting oppression.

Yes mate good points the difference, but we can debate this subject with out the need to behead
anybody, theses are barbaric acts, the things is just stop Iss killing them poor people.
We are well capable of doing that,! I feel you are not dealing with decent human beings, and they
do not respond to talking, they have only have one a gender that's murder, who happens to be in there way. I think standing by watching doing nothing is a crime itself, because there is a saying there for the grace of god go I , true that mate so what they are not cutting my head off, but it may
be tomorrow next week,! you never no.
Ryan it's a mad World mate, I am glad we are not all the same, and there are more good people
than evil one's, thank fuck.

[Beanflicker]

It's all worthless conjecture anyway from a bunch of arseholes who aren't involved in the situations and have no idea what's going on over there.

[Dia bando]

Just watching the news, apparently there are 500 UK passport holders in Iss,! 500 more
places in prison I hope await them in the very lest.

[IamInuit]

One side uses precision bombing, smart bombs that behead, blow apart, destroy entire families, bury people alive, etc but those pictures don't make it out or are called collateral damage. Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity.

The other side eats the organs of its enemies, butchers with cleavers and beheads people in front of camera's and allows children to hold up the trophy. Are these any more or less barbaric then the acts
committed from the air or ground of the more technically sophisticated?

These people who go to such raw extremes don't even seem part of the same species. But we and I speak of myself are horrified on how the act is done but not the act itself. Its an uncomfortable feeling for me because I recognize my own hypocrisy.

I'm left with an overall conclusion that humankind (men specifically) are inherently bad not good and nothing convinces more of that fact then history and present day. Einstein was right barring some age of enlightenment, the thinking of mankind does not change.

[Dia bando]

One side uses precision bombing, smart bombs that behead, blow apart, destroy entire families, bury people alive, etc but those pictures don't make it out or are called collateral damage. Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity.

The other side eats the organs of its enemies, butchers with cleavers and beheads people in front of camera's and allows children to hold up the trophy. Are these any more or less barbaric then the acts
committed from the air or ground of the more technically sophisticated?

These people who go to such raw extremes don't even seem part of the same species. But we and I speak of myself are horrified on how the act is done but not the act itself. Its an uncomfortable feeling for me because I recognize my own hypocrisy.

I'm left with an overall conclusion that humankind (men specifically) are inherently bad not good and nothing convinces more of that fact then history and present day. Einstein was right barring some age of enlightenment, the thinking of mankind does not change.

Again very good points, that's it but us lot can discus this, and at no point do we make
threats to kill each other, the people that are doing theses things are not like us one bit.
They are murders of women and children, up close and personal you can't be right in the
head to do such things.
Sitting in a Apace helicopter 2 miles or so away, watching a video screen pressing a button wiping
out 30 plus people, it does dehumanise the act, until you see what you have done.!!!!
The wrongs of War the rights of War,!!!!!!!! were do you start were do you stop,!!!!! some people
make decisions, and they cost lives, some must do it with a heavy heart, and others don't give
a shit.

[brocktonblockbust]

in fact it is you have shifted 180 degrees after I reread that post you Dug up .

[Andre]

I think Beanz is saying that when you go to lengths to explain and add reason to these acts (even if you also condemn them) you are in a sense justifying them. But there is no justification.
They behead or bury alive Iraqi citizens of different sects because of the West's foreign policy?
That does not explain these acts. That is not a sequence of events that even makes sense. They do this because they are beyond warped.

Saying the US aided the rise of ISIS is right. Not arguing there. But that is not what warped these people.

It certainly isn't black and white, and I not one for seeing things from a west-centric point of view generally, but I also don't buy into this 1+1 = 10000000000 stuff, ie Evil West + Normal Muslims = murderous butchering Muslims. No. These guys would be evil no matter what injustices they have perceived.

Some people need reminding that the West are not always the do gooder good guys, but equally others need to remember that Muslims are not always the innocent victims simply resisting oppression.

I have a simple saying on the rear of one of my Tee shirts and its straight out a dictionary.
People on both sides are free to get offended by the dictionaries own definition, but mostly its US forces backers and people in uniform who do: Which is interesting and the whole point of the shirt.

TERRORISM:
(tera,rizam)n.
1. The act of terrorizing.
2. The systematic use of
violence and intimidation
to achieve some goal.