Enough - No more apologies for evil

[Dia bando]

I think Beanz is saying that when you go to lengths to explain and add reason to these acts (even if you also condemn them) you are in a sense justifying them. But there is no justification.
They behead or bury alive Iraqi citizens of different sects because of the West's foreign policy?
That does not explain these acts. That is not a sequence of events that even makes sense. They do this because they are beyond warped.

Saying the US aided the rise of ISIS is right. Not arguing there. But that is not what warped these people.

It certainly isn't black and white, and I not one for seeing things from a west-centric point of view generally, but I also don't buy into this 1+1 = 10000000000 stuff, ie Evil West + Normal Muslims = murderous butchering Muslims. No. These guys would be evil no matter what injustices they have perceived.

Some people need reminding that the West are not always the do gooder good guys, but equally others need to remember that Muslims are not always the innocent victims simply resisting oppression.

Yes mate good points the difference, but we can debate this subject with out the need to behead
anybody, theses are barbaric acts, the things is just stop Iss killing them poor people.
We are well capable of doing that,! I feel you are not dealing with decent human beings, and they
do not respond to talking, they have only have one a gender that's murder, who happens to be in there way. I think standing by watching doing nothing is a crime itself, because there is a saying there for the grace of god go I , true that mate so what they are not cutting my head off, but it may
be tomorrow next week,! you never no.
Ryan it's a mad World mate, I am glad we are not all the same, and there are more good people
than evil one's, thank fuck.

[Beanflicker]

It's all worthless conjecture anyway from a bunch of arseholes who aren't involved in the situations and have no idea what's going on over there.

[Dia bando]

Just watching the news, apparently there are 500 UK passport holders in Iss,! 500 more
places in prison I hope await them in the very lest.

[IamInuit]

One side uses precision bombing, smart bombs that behead, blow apart, destroy entire families, bury people alive, etc but those pictures don't make it out or are called collateral damage. Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity.

The other side eats the organs of its enemies, butchers with cleavers and beheads people in front of camera's and allows children to hold up the trophy. Are these any more or less barbaric then the acts
committed from the air or ground of the more technically sophisticated?

These people who go to such raw extremes don't even seem part of the same species. But we and I speak of myself are horrified on how the act is done but not the act itself. Its an uncomfortable feeling for me because I recognize my own hypocrisy.

I'm left with an overall conclusion that humankind (men specifically) are inherently bad not good and nothing convinces more of that fact then history and present day. Einstein was right barring some age of enlightenment, the thinking of mankind does not change.

[Dia bando]

One side uses precision bombing, smart bombs that behead, blow apart, destroy entire families, bury people alive, etc but those pictures don't make it out or are called collateral damage. Crimes against humanity are crimes against humanity.

The other side eats the organs of its enemies, butchers with cleavers and beheads people in front of camera's and allows children to hold up the trophy. Are these any more or less barbaric then the acts
committed from the air or ground of the more technically sophisticated?

These people who go to such raw extremes don't even seem part of the same species. But we and I speak of myself are horrified on how the act is done but not the act itself. Its an uncomfortable feeling for me because I recognize my own hypocrisy.

I'm left with an overall conclusion that humankind (men specifically) are inherently bad not good and nothing convinces more of that fact then history and present day. Einstein was right barring some age of enlightenment, the thinking of mankind does not change.

Again very good points, that's it but us lot can discus this, and at no point do we make
threats to kill each other, the people that are doing theses things are not like us one bit.
They are murders of women and children, up close and personal you can't be right in the
head to do such things.
Sitting in a Apace helicopter 2 miles or so away, watching a video screen pressing a button wiping
out 30 plus people, it does dehumanise the act, until you see what you have done.!!!!
The wrongs of War the rights of War,!!!!!!!! were do you start were do you stop,!!!!! some people
make decisions, and they cost lives, some must do it with a heavy heart, and others don't give
a shit.

[brocktonblockbust]

in fact it is you have shifted 180 degrees after I reread that post you Dug up .