Enough - No more apologies for evil

[brocktonblockbust]

my 1st reactionm to ANY death is horror, fright, shock, disgust---and when i say ANY death I include the deaths of brides and grooms who were "MERE COLLATERAL DAMAGE" OF UK AND US BOMBING RUNS. WHOOPS!!!! WE HIT THE WRONG HOUSE, OH WELL, FREEDOM ISNT FREE!!!!

The two things are in no way interchangeable or equivalent. I could not have put it any better than Ryanman has.

@Greenbeanz you have lost your mind , bloke. The murders of a bride and groom and of james Foley are "in no way interchangeable or equivalent" YOu will have a hard time explaining that comment after putting your foot in your mouth on that one mate. ANY murder is equivalent to ANY murder. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? So the bride and groom who were murdered by a drone as they tied the knot is not as tragically appalling as the James Foley throat-cutting? So you have LEVELS of murders that are incrementally more and more or less and less horrific? You are BATTY. A TRUE MOON BAT, AN EASTERN EUROPEAN TRANSYLVANIAN VAMPIRE OF THE HIGHEST BLOOD-SUCKING GYPSY ORDER, ............. but I still love you, you little pixie-mazed Slaughterhouse 5, ale-drinking muckraking pork-barrel insomniac, you.

Any innocent life lost is tragic and saddening.
But Greenbeanz is right. Their lives are of course worth an equal amount, but the manner of their death is not the same.
One human severing the head of another human being that is in their presence, by the own hand takes a few extra levels of barbarism than a man pressing a button which launches a missile for instance that misses its intended target and thus kills people.


If you honestly think its the same then you have taken leave of your basic human instincts.


Now, I know you like to jump on things and go a bit mad so to be clear - I know that the lives are worth the same. I know that it is tragic either way.
But we are talking about the actions of the killers here. And there is such a thing as INTENT. And it matters. It matters a lot. Again I say (because I don't want a capital letter tirade) that I do not support the use of drones. And I genuinely feel real honest pain when hearing about poor Iraqis that have lost their families. But the actions of the killers in these things do not equate.
A proportionate response by the murders own logic now would be for a friend of James Foley to murder a random innocent Muslim in retaliation. Would that be fair and just? No.

NOT TALKING ABOUT THE "MISSED" TARGET ALONE. Do you not think Bush and Rumsfeld ever "intended" to kill blocks and blocks of people? Do you think all 1,300,000 Iraqis who were killed in Bush/Blair ILLEGAL INVASION OF IRAQ were terrorists and insurgents? All 1,300,000 That would be iompossible. Bush/Blair?Rumsfeld & Co. SLAUGHTERED KNOWINGLY plenty of innocents --- they admitted it themselves in so many words of course, that it is better to wipe out the barrel to get that 1 or 2 bad apples. Its the price we have to pay, Albright said it, Hillary said it, Rumsfeld said it. So now what, wise guy? Forget the "whoops! collateral damage, Bill! That terrorist holding area turned out to be a children's hospital! Holy Christ, now what?" shit, Im talking about hard-core "get in there and wipe these towel-heads out!" and have you not seen all the examples of US GIs going house to house and simply machine gunning the occupants down? It happened thousands of times in Iraq. All Im saying is there is no difference between machine gunning a family down or murdering prisoners in Abu Ghraib and filming it whilst laughing after US and British soldiers placed bags over their heads, and what the animal scumbag evil bastard did to Foley.

If you think there is a difference you are pixie-mazed, daft, poppy-cocked out to the n-th degree.

[ryanman]

my 1st reactionm to ANY death is horror, fright, shock, disgust---and when i say ANY death I include the deaths of brides and grooms who were "MERE COLLATERAL DAMAGE" OF UK AND US BOMBING RUNS. WHOOPS!!!! WE HIT THE WRONG HOUSE, OH WELL, FREEDOM ISNT FREE!!!!

The two things are in no way interchangeable or equivalent. I could not have put it any better than Ryanman has.

@Greenbeanz you have lost your mind , bloke. The murders of a bride and groom and of james Foley are "in no way interchangeable or equivalent" YOu will have a hard time explaining that comment after putting your foot in your mouth on that one mate. ANY murder is equivalent to ANY murder. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? So the bride and groom who were murdered by a drone as they tied the knot is not as tragically appalling as the James Foley throat-cutting? So you have LEVELS of murders that are incrementally more and more or less and less horrific? You are BATTY. A TRUE MOON BAT, AN EASTERN EUROPEAN TRANSYLVANIAN VAMPIRE OF THE HIGHEST BLOOD-SUCKING GYPSY ORDER, ............. but I still love you, you little pixie-mazed Slaughterhouse 5, ale-drinking muckraking pork-barrel insomniac, you.

Any innocent life lost is tragic and saddening.
But Greenbeanz is right. Their lives are of course worth an equal amount, but the manner of their death is not the same.
One human severing the head of another human being that is in their presence, by the own hand takes a few extra levels of barbarism than a man pressing a button which launches a missile for instance that misses its intended target and thus kills people.


If you honestly think its the same then you have taken leave of your basic human instincts.


Now, I know you like to jump on things and go a bit mad so to be clear - I know that the lives are worth the same. I know that it is tragic either way.
But we are talking about the actions of the killers here. And there is such a thing as INTENT. And it matters. It matters a lot. Again I say (because I don't want a capital letter tirade) that I do not support the use of drones. And I genuinely feel real honest pain when hearing about poor Iraqis that have lost their families. But the actions of the killers in these things do not equate.
A proportionate response by the murders own logic now would be for a friend of James Foley to murder a random innocent Muslim in retaliation. Would that be fair and just? No.

NOT TALKING ABOUT THE "MISSED" TARGET ALONE. Do you not think Bush and Rumsfeld ever "intended" to kill blocks and blocks of people? Do you think all 1,300,000 Iraqis who were killed in Bush/Blair ILLEGAL INVASION OF IRAQ were terrorists and insurgents? All 1,300,000 That would be iompossible. Bush/Blair?Rumsfeld & Co. SLAUGHTERED KNOWINGLY plenty of innocents --- they admitted it themselves in so many words of course, that it is better to wipe out the barrel to get that 1 or 2 bad apples. Its the price we have to pay, Albright said it, Hillary said it, Rumsfeld said it. So now what, wise guy? Forget the "whoops! collateral damage, Bill! That terrorist holding area turned out to be a children's hospital! Holy Christ, now what?" shit, Im talking about hard-core "get in there and wipe these towel-heads out!" and have you not seen all the examples of US GIs going house to house and simply machine gunning the occupants down? It happened thousands of times in Iraq. All Im saying is there is no difference between machine gunning a family down or murdering prisoners in Abu Ghraib and filming it whilst laughing after US and British soldiers placed bags over their heads, and what the animal scumbag evil bastard did to Foley.

If you think there is a difference you are pixie-mazed, daft, poppy-cocked out to the n-th degree.

Two bolded bits.
First bit, no I honestly haven't seen such videos. If I had I would be appalled.

Second bit, I totally agree that there is no difference between machine gunning down a family and what happened to Foley. Absolutely not. It's just that wasn't the argument you used. I can't say enough that all killing is wrong. But I don't look for reasons and excuses for American murders and I don't look for excuses for IS murders. You are misunderstanding me if you think I'm justifying any murder. That is my exact point - murder is murder. It sickens me.


You lickidy, fickidy fuck cunt mitten arse lickidy fuck.

[brocktonblockbust]

my 1st reactionm to ANY death is horror, fright, shock, disgust---and when i say ANY death I include the deaths of brides and grooms who were "MERE COLLATERAL DAMAGE" OF UK AND US BOMBING RUNS. WHOOPS!!!! WE HIT THE WRONG HOUSE, OH WELL, FREEDOM ISNT FREE!!!!

The two things are in no way interchangeable or equivalent. I could not have put it any better than Ryanman has.

@Greenbeanz you have lost your mind , bloke. The murders of a bride and groom and of james Foley are "in no way interchangeable or equivalent" YOu will have a hard time explaining that comment after putting your foot in your mouth on that one mate. ANY murder is equivalent to ANY murder. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? So the bride and groom who were murdered by a drone as they tied the knot is not as tragically appalling as the James Foley throat-cutting? So you have LEVELS of murders that are incrementally more and more or less and less horrific? You are BATTY. A TRUE MOON BAT, AN EASTERN EUROPEAN TRANSYLVANIAN VAMPIRE OF THE HIGHEST BLOOD-SUCKING GYPSY ORDER, ............. but I still love you, you little pixie-mazed Slaughterhouse 5, ale-drinking muckraking pork-barrel insomniac, you.

Any innocent life lost is tragic and saddening.
But Greenbeanz is right. Their lives are of course worth an equal amount, but the manner of their death is not the same.
One human severing the head of another human being that is in their presence, by the own hand takes a few extra levels of barbarism than a man pressing a button which launches a missile for instance that misses its intended target and thus kills people.


If you honestly think its the same then you have taken leave of your basic human instincts.


Now, I know you like to jump on things and go a bit mad so to be clear - I know that the lives are worth the same. I know that it is tragic either way.
But we are talking about the actions of the killers here. And there is such a thing as INTENT. And it matters. It matters a lot. Again I say (because I don't want a capital letter tirade) that I do not support the use of drones. And I genuinely feel real honest pain when hearing about poor Iraqis that have lost their families. But the actions of the killers in these things do not equate.
A proportionate response by the murders own logic now would be for a friend of James Foley to murder a random innocent Muslim in retaliation. Would that be fair and just? No.

NOT TALKING ABOUT THE "MISSED" TARGET ALONE. Do you not think Bush and Rumsfeld ever "intended" to kill blocks and blocks of people? Do you think all 1,300,000 Iraqis who were killed in Bush/Blair ILLEGAL INVASION OF IRAQ were terrorists and insurgents? All 1,300,000 That would be iompossible. Bush/Blair?Rumsfeld & Co. SLAUGHTERED KNOWINGLY plenty of innocents --- they admitted it themselves in so many words of course, that it is better to wipe out the barrel to get that 1 or 2 bad apples. Its the price we have to pay, Albright said it, Hillary said it, Rumsfeld said it. So now what, wise guy? Forget the "whoops! collateral damage, Bill! That terrorist holding area turned out to be a children's hospital! Holy Christ, now what?" shit, Im talking about hard-core "get in there and wipe these towel-heads out!" and have you not seen all the examples of US GIs going house to house and simply machine gunning the occupants down? It happened thousands of times in Iraq. All Im saying is there is no difference between machine gunning a family down or murdering prisoners in Abu Ghraib and filming it whilst laughing after US and British soldiers placed bags over their heads, and what the animal scumbag evil bastard did to Foley.

If you think there is a difference you are pixie-mazed, daft, poppy-cocked out to the n-th degree.

Two bolded bits.
First bit, no I honestly haven't seen such videos. If I had I would be appalled.

Second bit, I totally agree that there is no difference between machine gunning down a family and what happened to Foley. Absolutely not. It's just that wasn't the argument you used. I can't say enough that all killing is wrong. But I don't look for reasons and excuses for American murders and I don't look for excuses for IS murders. You are misunderstanding me if you think I'm justifying any murder. That is my exact point - murder is murder. It sickens me.


You lickidy, fickidy fuck cunt mitten arse lickidy fuck.

well cunty cunty coo-coo clock
put on a shoe and then put on a sock
i ate a box of igneous rock
now its time to cunt mitten little kitten pissin and shittin Don King Magillicuddy

[Gandalf]

Part of me even questions whether the murder isn't staged, along with the entire Isis charade. Convoys of trucks driving into Iraq single file and nobody noticed except everyone online watching them! I don't trust anything that the West is doing anymore and neither do increasing numbers of people whence the Brics and even nations like Argenina and Cuba getting in on the show. I wonder how America will respond when Russia decides to do a Ukraine and spy on them from Cuba. After all they can have no moral objection. Bomb the entire world I guess, manifest destiny, y'all! Nutters!

There are so many lies and double standards from Britain and America, that it literally makes you want to projectile vomit. It's ironic that beheadings are the way to go in order to drum up domestic support. So now we have to get rid of Assad again? Timely! Of course it is utter bollocks, like everything since and perhaps including 9-11. I agree with Brockton, we shouldn't make excuses and say Isis is more evil. Over a million dead and continued drones and the killing of poor people domestically shows the morality of our nations. We just don't record the gruesome details. What happened to Bin Laden by the way? Well, the story we are told. Of course there was no trial or evidence. And of course only a show trial for Saddam, but none for Blair, Bush, Obama, Cameron. The murder of Bin Laden and tens of thousands of murders were just as significant on the part of the illegal occupiers.

Britain does have a lot of angry Muslims and maybe that once again explains my point of view on immigration and non-interfering foreign policy. But of course, that must mean I am full of cognitive dissonance or some such fancy expression meaning that I don't follow the script. You want to divide and conquer, well don't be surprised when some are so divided that they themselves want to conquer. The elite caused it through their own policies and it's a shame that the people won't unite and conquer the illegitimate elite.

[Gandalf]

And now today they say 'Let's support Assad!'. Well, I thought he was the new devil incarnate? Oh, and Iran is now an ally too? Very good play. Let Isis have our weapons and then give weapons to Assad to fight them with! Excellent morals all round. Talk about two faced snakes. And yes, Kurds, you now have weapons to attack our other weapons with! The arms companies must be delighted at this delightful show of crookery. Shameful, shameful, shameful nations. Flip flopping, deceitful, war mongering, war profiteering scum.

Edit: 'Do not watch the video we are using as a justification for war as you are a terrorist if you do'. What?! You are a terrorist for wanting to check the evidence? These people are lunatics and I am not talking about Isis. It's always 'Stay back, don't interfere. We are the experts on chopping off heads, you don't need to see it and if you do we will come for you too'. After all wasn't a head cut off domestically a year or so ago? We sure are the experts on this topic! Seems to be a pattern with the British. Always a beheading to justify abusing taxpayer money for nefarious means. The British elite lie about EVERY major event, so you should check the evidence and come to your own conclusions. Iraq WMD? Syria chemical weapons? Gaddafi? Russia suddenly a menace despite typical Western bully boy aggression, not sending troops back to Iraq? I could go on and on and on and on and on. Lies, lies, lies, lies. The main terrorists are those covering up child abuse, banking fraud, Palestine genocide, and those who actively fund and train jihadis in the middle east after attempting to destroy sovereign nations.

Edit 2: When a person is alive they typically have a beating heart and blood pumping around the body. If you take someone from behind with a sharp blade and attempt to cut into their neck you will sever the jugular vein and in the process a significant amount of blood will splay forwards and certainly be observable spilling down the body of the victim. James Foley doesn't appear to have had a beating heart or even very much flowing blood. Now if you have a beating heart, blood should be gushing through the body and thus out the severed artery and surrounding vessels. This doesn't appear to have been the case. Now I cannot say that I have seen the video as that would make me a terrorist according to the kinds of people that told us Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and who clearly don't hang around the holiday homes of suspected paedophiles. However, surely if half of your head has been chopped through, there should be a significant amount of blood.

I question the entire thing. If there is one thing I have learned since 9-11 it's that we tell a lot of porkies to sell weapons and screw people up.

[Gandalf]

One more lie for the books. NATO (Britain/US): 'The aid convoy is secretly taking military aid'. Erm....another lie. All the trucks contained much needed aid. Now on the topic of the Ukraine, do we have any updates on the blown up airplane? Or the beheading? Or just who funded Isis? Gave them weapons? Trained them? etc. Indeed no more apologies for evil.

Edit: I genuinely want to know about this plane as I had my doubts all along, and now the silence reeks of a serious cover up. Apparently we already know what downed the plane, but I'm curious if anywhere is going to report on it. It honestly looks like Russia are playing with the Nazi's here and the Brits and Yanks are egging Hitler on. Such a weird world. In this world Putin stomps on Hitler.

So sad to think that Putin is proving the good guy on practically issue. What a kind man in giving aid and that alone. It's hardly funding Isis and then needing tents for a few thousand on a mountain (number reduced from 100,000 thus again meaning the West will lie about everything). Interest rates will rise when unemployment falls....ooh, domestic lie. Every frikken thing is a lie.

[Gandalf]

Aaam soooo cynical, baby. So cynical, ya'll the time. Ooh, ooh, cynical hey ya, baby. Always remain a critic and especially when it comes to the politicians and media who are known liars. God, I'm sexy. Now what about the bodies on the Royal estates. Oh, yeah. I'm so cynical, baby!

Foley murder video 'may have been staged' - Telegraph

[Beanz]

my 1st reactionm to ANY death is horror, fright, shock, disgust---and when i say ANY death I include the deaths of brides and grooms who were "MERE COLLATERAL DAMAGE" OF UK AND US BOMBING RUNS. WHOOPS!!!! WE HIT THE WRONG HOUSE, OH WELL, FREEDOM ISNT FREE!!!!

The two things are in no way interchangeable or equivalent. I could not have put it any better than Ryanman has.

@Greenbeanz you have lost your mind , bloke. The murders of a bride and groom and of james Foley are "in no way interchangeable or equivalent" YOu will have a hard time explaining that comment after putting your foot in your mouth on that one mate. ANY murder is equivalent to ANY murder. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? So the bride and groom who were murdered by a drone as they tied the knot is not as tragically appalling as the James Foley throat-cutting? So you have LEVELS of murders that are incrementally more and more or less and less horrific? You are BATTY. A TRUE MOON BAT, AN EASTERN EUROPEAN TRANSYLVANIAN VAMPIRE OF THE HIGHEST BLOOD-SUCKING GYPSY ORDER, ............. but I still love you, you little pixie-mazed Slaughterhouse 5, ale-drinking muckraking pork-barrel insomniac, you.

Any innocent life lost is tragic and saddening. But Greenbeanz is right. Their lives are of course worth an equal amount, but the manner of their death is not the same.One human severing the head of another human being that is in their presence, by the own hand takes a few extra levels of barbarism than a man pressing a button which launches a missile for instance that misses its intended target and thus kills people.If you honestly think its the same then you have taken leave of your basic human instincts. Now, I know you like to jump on things and go a bit mad so to be clear - I know that the lives are worth the same. I know that it is tragic either way.But we are talking about the actions of the killers here. And there is such a thing as INTENT. And it matters. It matters a lot. Again I say (because I don't want a capital letter tirade) that I do not support the use of drones. And I genuinely feel real honest pain when hearing about poor Iraqis that have lost their families. But the actions of the killers in these things do not equate. A proportionate response by the murders own logic now would be for a friend of James Foley to murder a random innocent Muslim in retaliation. Would that be fair and just? No.

NOT TALKING ABOUT THE "MISSED" TARGET ALONE. Do you not think Bush and Rumsfeld ever "intended" to kill blocks and blocks of people? Do you think all 1,300,000 Iraqis who were killed in Bush/Blair ILLEGAL INVASION OF IRAQ were terrorists and insurgents? All 1,300,000 That would be iompossible. Bush/Blair?Rumsfeld & Co. SLAUGHTERED KNOWINGLY plenty of innocents --- they admitted it themselves in so many words of course, that it is better to wipe out the barrel to get that 1 or 2 bad apples. Its the price we have to pay, Albright said it, Hillary said it, Rumsfeld said it. So now what, wise guy? Forget the "whoops! collateral damage, Bill! That terrorist holding area turned out to be a children's hospital! Holy Christ, now what?" shit, Im talking about hard-core "get in there and wipe these towel-heads out!" and have you not seen all the examples of US GIs going house to house and simply machine gunning the occupants down? It happened thousands of times in Iraq. All Im saying is there is no difference between machine gunning a family down or murdering prisoners in Abu Ghraib and filming it whilst laughing after US and British soldiers placed bags over their heads, and what the animal scumbag evil bastard did to Foley.If you think there is a difference you are pixie-mazed, daft, poppy-cocked out to the n-th degree.

Thoughts Steve?

[brocktonblockbust]

my 1st reactionm to ANY death is horror, fright, shock, disgust---and when i say ANY death I include the deaths of brides and grooms who were "MERE COLLATERAL DAMAGE" OF UK AND US BOMBING RUNS. WHOOPS!!!! WE HIT THE WRONG HOUSE, OH WELL, FREEDOM ISNT FREE!!!!

The two things are in no way interchangeable or equivalent. I could not have put it any better than Ryanman has.

@Greenbeanz you have lost your mind , bloke. The murders of a bride and groom and of james Foley are "in no way interchangeable or equivalent" YOu will have a hard time explaining that comment after putting your foot in your mouth on that one mate. ANY murder is equivalent to ANY murder. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? So the bride and groom who were murdered by a drone as they tied the knot is not as tragically appalling as the James Foley throat-cutting? So you have LEVELS of murders that are incrementally more and more or less and less horrific? You are BATTY. A TRUE MOON BAT, AN EASTERN EUROPEAN TRANSYLVANIAN VAMPIRE OF THE HIGHEST BLOOD-SUCKING GYPSY ORDER, ............. but I still love you, you little pixie-mazed Slaughterhouse 5, ale-drinking muckraking pork-barrel insomniac, you.

Any innocent life lost is tragic and saddening. But Greenbeanz is right. Their lives are of course worth an equal amount, but the manner of their death is not the same.One human severing the head of another human being that is in their presence, by the own hand takes a few extra levels of barbarism than a man pressing a button which launches a missile for instance that misses its intended target and thus kills people.If you honestly think its the same then you have taken leave of your basic human instincts. Now, I know you like to jump on things and go a bit mad so to be clear - I know that the lives are worth the same. I know that it is tragic either way.But we are talking about the actions of the killers here. And there is such a thing as INTENT. And it matters. It matters a lot. Again I say (because I don't want a capital letter tirade) that I do not support the use of drones. And I genuinely feel real honest pain when hearing about poor Iraqis that have lost their families. But the actions of the killers in these things do not equate. A proportionate response by the murders own logic now would be for a friend of James Foley to murder a random innocent Muslim in retaliation. Would that be fair and just? No.

NOT TALKING ABOUT THE "MISSED" TARGET ALONE. Do you not think Bush and Rumsfeld ever "intended" to kill blocks and blocks of people? Do you think all 1,300,000 Iraqis who were killed in Bush/Blair ILLEGAL INVASION OF IRAQ were terrorists and insurgents? All 1,300,000 That would be iompossible. Bush/Blair?Rumsfeld & Co. SLAUGHTERED KNOWINGLY plenty of innocents --- they admitted it themselves in so many words of course, that it is better to wipe out the barrel to get that 1 or 2 bad apples. Its the price we have to pay, Albright said it, Hillary said it, Rumsfeld said it. So now what, wise guy? Forget the "whoops! collateral damage, Bill! That terrorist holding area turned out to be a children's hospital! Holy Christ, now what?" shit, Im talking about hard-core "get in there and wipe these towel-heads out!" and have you not seen all the examples of US GIs going house to house and simply machine gunning the occupants down? It happened thousands of times in Iraq. All Im saying is there is no difference between machine gunning a family down or murdering prisoners in Abu Ghraib and filming it whilst laughing after US and British soldiers placed bags over their heads, and what the animal scumbag evil bastard did to Foley.If you think there is a difference you are pixie-mazed, daft, poppy-cocked out to the n-th degree.

Thoughts Steve?

My thoughts are exactly the same now as they were when I wrote that almost three years ago. Bush and Blair and Rumsfeld did something call shock and awe which I am sure you are familiar with in Iraq in 2003 which was basically they saturation bombed with cruise missiles blocks and blocks and blocks of Civilian apartment complexes in Baghdad and also in other cities resulting from what I have read in varying reports to be anywhere from 200,000 to 600000 dead civilians in a mass murder which cannot be explained otherwise. I wrote something very similar only two months ago or maybe was it 3 months ago that I think that if an iraqi person whose entire family was wiped out buy shock and awe saturation bombing in Baghdad decided to take revenge that would be understandable. But I never said and if I did please go and hunt it down as you seem to be so good in hunting things down but I never said I never said that these whack jobs coming from Libya and Algeria and Syria and Somalia for example and Tunisia who deliberately disguise themselves as refugees and then get on these boats also people from Sudan and Djibouti and then come over as if they are refugees when in fact they are just sleeper cells and then they carry out these attacks and build these networks in England for example as we are now seeing that was a network of people who struck at the Ariana Grande concert the other night. I have never defended those people I have never said that those people were justified in seeking Revenge. When George Bush and Tony Blair and Donald Rumsfeld saturation bombed Baghdad in 2003 that is not connected in any way and does not justify in any way the type of whack job stuff we saw in Manchester the other night when a british-born person of Libyan descent decides to do such an act of unthinkable barbarism.. If we go along that route that means that just because of the saturation bombing of Baghdad in 2003 that that now gives every single Muslim on the face of the Earth from any single Muslim country the right to seek revenge against the West. Never did I agree with that and never do I think that that is just justifiable or even remotely valid in any way shape or form. .....recently I said and I still say now that the invasion of Iraq was un justified and act of Barbar ism and I did not support bush and Blair and I do not support bush and Blair and Donna rums field and Dick Cheney for invading Iraq and killing all those people. When did I ever say I supported the invasion of Iraq? I even go so far as to constantly say that Saddam Hussein was my cousin.

You see you don't have the finely-tuned knowledge of the Middle East that I have and you are trying to use my position on the Iraqi Invasion to point out in a bogus matter what I say about as a these other Muslims from unconnected and unrelated countries to try to say that I have some point in my argument which is inconsistent.

[Beanz]

What a crock of shit. No hunting down necessary. I am just sick and tired of being called an apologist and having you get up on your soapbox calling everybody who does not share your very narrow world view libtards or kumbayah commies or whatever other regressive rubbish you spout. You don't even know me, and yet apparently I and nobody else have "the finely tuned knowledge of the middle east" that you have.

Anybody with even a modicum of neutrality and subjectivity can see the inconsistencies in your position. You would apparently be ashamed to be Anglo Saxon but we in the UK are the ones with a complex?

I have not done a 180 I have been consistent in never excusing the actions of murderous bastards whatever excuse they use to carry out their campaigns. You seem to want to harangue anyone that does not agree with you 100% and dares not be as simplistic, naive and dishonest as you are with your arguments.

[Master]

Brock you just wrote it is "understandable" if they want to take revenge if they lost their family.

[brocktonblockbust]

Brock you just wrote it is "understandable" if they want to take revenge if they lost their family.

Master it is understandable if they are from Iraq. But people from Djibouti or Eritrea or Tunisia or Sudan or Algeria are the ones who are going to Europe and the United States and pulling off these terrorist attacks. That is a big difference Master

[Beanz]

Brock you just wrote it is "understandable" if they want to take revenge if they lost their family.

Master it is understandable if they are from Iraq. But people from Djibouti or Eritrea or Tunisia or Sudan or Algeria are the ones who are going to Europe and the United States and pulling off these terrorist attacks. That is a big difference Master

What if they are from Libya? No excuse..cunt and you call me an apologist. The Americans leaked evidence from the joint security operation yesterday and you...fucking you ..posted that picture twice here in different threads. You are an idiot.