Tyson at welterweight.

[imp]

The myth of Tyson is far far far far far greater than the fighter was. He had amazing physical abilities but not only was he a nutcase while his knowledge of the sport was superb his ring smarts were practically non-existent. He was a robot. They called out numbered combinations and he followed orders.

If he were a welterweight he still would have great physical gifts but he'd be facing technically superior boxers that would expose his limitations mentally.

What fighter beat him in his prime?

Pre buster?

[ross]

The myth of Tyson is far far far far far greater than the fighter was. He had amazing physical abilities but not only was he a nutcase while his knowledge of the sport was superb his ring smarts were practically non-existent. He was a robot. They called out numbered combinations and he followed orders.

If he were a welterweight he still would have great physical gifts but he'd be facing technically superior boxers that would expose his limitations mentally.

What fighter beat him in his prime?

Pre buster?

Technically superior?

Mike Tyson's technical abilities were fantastic while he was with the team that understood the number punching system as you pointed out.

His footwork and head movement are among the best ever. His jab could land easily on undefeated 6,5" defending world champions.

Who in the welterweight division or any division can avoid getting hit just with their head movement? Rather than clinching?

[p4pking]

Ok but say Tyson went vegan and did lots of cocaine in his prime, and then had one of his legs amputated to actually make 147. would he have had a punchers chance against some top guys

[Master]

Tyson would be very short, if we say the average welter weight is 5 foot 8 inches then Tyson would be 5 foot 3 and other than his punch power most elite welterweights would be able to avoid his punches.

[ross]

Tyson would be very short, if we say the average welter weight is 5 foot 8 inches then Tyson would be 5 foot 3 and other than his punch power most elite welterweights would be able to avoid his punches.

No, if we are talking scaling him down, the man was a phenomenon at heavy, why all of a sudden wouldn't he be physically special at welter?

The massive heavies who had a bigger size advantage couldn't avoid his punches.

[Master]

Tyson would be very short, if we say the average welter weight is 5 foot 8 inches then Tyson would be 5 foot 3 and other than his punch power most elite welterweights would be able to avoid his punches.

No, if we are talking scaling him down, the man was a phenomenon at heavy, why all of a sudden wouldn't he be physically special at welter?

The massive heavies who had a bigger size advantage couldn't avoid his punches.

Tyson never fought a great heavyweight or the equivalent great welterweight would be Ray Robinson or Leonard. Tyson would not be able to beat them.

[ross]

Tyson would be very short, if we say the average welter weight is 5 foot 8 inches then Tyson would be 5 foot 3 and other than his punch power most elite welterweights would be able to avoid his punches.

No, if we are talking scaling him down, the man was a phenomenon at heavy, why all of a sudden wouldn't he be physically special at welter?

The massive heavies who had a bigger size advantage couldn't avoid his punches.

Tyson never fought a great heavyweight or the equivalent great welterweight would be Ray Robinson or Leonard. Tyson would not be able to beat them.

Larry Holmes is in everyones top ten?

He was 2 years past his fight with Spinks but its the Way Mike beat him. Holyfield is rated higher than Mike but he struggled against Holmes 4 years later and that included another 3 years out and a win over Mercer.

Ray Robinson lost to LaMotta, Leonard lost to Duran. Pressure fighters. Pressure fighters who didn't have Mikes power, speed or intensity.