Groves eyes Dirrell shot and Froch trilogy

[Dark Lord Al]

I think Groves is going to be the super middle bersion of Audley Harrison.

Not a bad shout as a comparison.

Like Harrison he has the skills and attributes but just isn't strong enough to deal with anyone with real desire and anyone with a good punch is a massive risk.

The shot Froch caught him with, he should have seen and been able to avoid. Froch is a good puncher but he's not the biggest. That punch would have got the attention of but not hurt, had it even landed against the likes of Kessler, Bika, Ward, Dirrell, Abraham etc. he really needs to work on his head movement because its none existent. He has the same style as Haye which is just to move out the way with his footwork but stuck against the ropes and he's a sitting duck.

He may now also be in Harrison mode with regards to punches coming his way. Gun shy.

We also tend to forget froch had no defence in the first few rounds of the first fight , when groves caught him flush ,froch's punches won't have been as hard and sharp for a good few rounds after that . In the second fight I never thought groves was ever going to have that kind of success again.
Now if he starts to doubt his own punch resistance he could well become very gun shy .

[Fenster]

Not sure how the Harrison comparison works. Audley totally froze on the big stage, Groves reveled in it. He got ironed out by one the best fighters in the sport. It's the equivalent of Audley putting in a great effort against Klitschko.

And considering he's jumping straight back into the ring at European level, instead of dining out on the success of the Froch experience, must say something about his character/desire too.

He's an arrogant cunt, and a bit delusional, but he knows Froch III is never happening in a million. Still some big fights for him though, whether he can win them or not is another matter.

[ross]

If Froch were to lose his belt and Groves somehow won a belt, the fight would happen again.

[Fenster]

The Froch-Groves affair ended halfway through round eight when Groves was left staring into space. The whole story was finished with a definitive ending.

You will never see them fight again. Fact.

[Master]

The Froch-Groves affair ended halfway through round eight when Groves was left staring into space. The whole story was finished with a definitive ending.

You will never see them fight again. Fact.

80,000 people and PPV might suggest otherwise.

[beenKOed]

I think Groves is going to be the super middle bersion of Audley Harrison.

Not a bad shout as a comparison.

Like Harrison he has the skills and attributes but just isn't strong enough to deal with anyone with real desire and anyone with a good punch is a massive risk.

The shot Froch caught him with, he should have seen and been able to avoid. Froch is a good puncher but he's not the biggest. That punch would have got the attention of but not hurt, had it even landed against the likes of Kessler, Bika, Ward, Dirrell, Abraham etc. he really needs to work on his head movement because its none existent. He has the same style as Haye which is just to move out the way with his footwork but stuck against the ropes and he's a sitting duck.

He may now also be in Harrison mode with regards to punches coming his way. Gun shy.

We also tend to forget froch had no defence in the first few rounds of the first fight , when groves caught him flush ,froch's punches won't have been as hard and sharp for a good few rounds after that . In the second fight I never thought groves was ever going to have that kind of success again.
Now if he starts to doubt his own punch resistance he could well become very gun shy .

Well, he's not doubting his punch resistance yet or he'd stay away from Dirrell and Froch. I'd really like to see the Dirrell fight, that could tell us where Groves belongs.
Another KO or truly bad performance anytime soon could end Groves' hopes for more big paydays.

[ross]

I think Groves is going to be the super middle bersion of Audley Harrison.

Not a bad shout as a comparison.

Like Harrison he has the skills and attributes but just isn't strong enough to deal with anyone with real desire and anyone with a good punch is a massive risk.

The shot Froch caught him with, he should have seen and been able to avoid. Froch is a good puncher but he's not the biggest. That punch would have got the attention of but not hurt, had it even landed against the likes of Kessler, Bika, Ward, Dirrell, Abraham etc. he really needs to work on his head movement because its none existent. He has the same style as Haye which is just to move out the way with his footwork but stuck against the ropes and he's a sitting duck.

He may now also be in Harrison mode with regards to punches coming his way. Gun shy.

We also tend to forget froch had no defence in the first few rounds of the first fight , when groves caught him flush ,froch's punches won't have been as hard and sharp for a good few rounds after that . In the second fight I never thought groves was ever going to have that kind of success again.
Now if he starts to doubt his own punch resistance he could well become very gun shy .

Well, he's not doubting his punch resistance yet or he'd stay away from Dirrell and Froch. I'd really like to see the Dirrell fight, that could tell us where Groves belongs.
Another KO or truly bad performance anytime soon could end Groves' hopes for more big paydays.

Do you mean a third knockout loss on the trott?

[Dark Lord Al]

We are not saying groves is Audley, he showed real heart in the first froch fight.
I am saying he could now go into a shell like harrison, due to the ko losses he has suffered.

[ross]

Im meaning that he wont reach any higher than he has. He may win a WBF belt (if it still exists) and a pize fighter tournament but I cant really see him getting through 12 rounds with any of the champs. He looks too fragile. He slows down, his chin isn't great and his defensive skills aren't very good either. He literally just stood right in front of Froch with his hands round his face looking at the floor in the first fight. Just went in to a shell. In the second he got caught with a punch he should have seen a mile off. It was a strong shot but wouldn't have landed on most fighters and if it did, I cant see someone like Kessler looking like he'd just been shot in the head!

He has just lost by KO in his last two fights.....

[Primo Carnera]

Im meaning that he wont reach any higher than he has. He may win a WBF belt (if it still exists) and a pize fighter tournament but I cant really see him getting through 12 rounds with any of the champs. He looks too fragile. He slows down, his chin isn't great and his defensive skills aren't very good either. He literally just stood right in front of Froch with his hands round his face looking at the floor in the first fight. Just went in to a shell. In the second he got caught with a punch he should have seen a mile off. It was a strong shot but wouldn't have landed on most fighters and if it did, I cant see someone like Kessler looking like he'd just been shot in the head!

He has just lost by KO in his last two fights.....

Ok , so Froch beat him twice,but if Groves is only worthy of a WBF belt or Prizefighter, then what does that say about Froch? And in the 1st fight, when did he "literally just stand right in front of Froch with his hands round his face looking at the floor?"
Groves gave Froch all the trouble he could handle in the 1st fight and until the knockout in the 2nd fight, it had been pretty even and Groves was arguably beginning to get on top. However, the finish was conclusive and fair play to Froch for that, but if Groves is shit, Froch ain't much better.

[ross]

Im meaning that he wont reach any higher than he has. He may win a WBF belt (if it still exists) and a pize fighter tournament but I cant really see him getting through 12 rounds with any of the champs. He looks too fragile. He slows down, his chin isn't great and his defensive skills aren't very good either. He literally just stood right in front of Froch with his hands round his face looking at the floor in the first fight. Just went in to a shell. In the second he got caught with a punch he should have seen a mile off. It was a strong shot but wouldn't have landed on most fighters and if it did, I cant see someone like Kessler looking like he'd just been shot in the head!

He has just lost by KO in his last two fights.....

Ok , so Froch beat him twice,but if Groves is only worthy of a WBF belt or Prizefighter, then what does that say about Froch? And in the 1st fight, when did he "literally just stand right in front of Froch with his hands round his face looking at the floor?"
Groves gave Froch all the trouble he could handle in the 1st fight and until the knockout in the 2nd fight, it had been pretty even and Groves was arguably beginning to get on top. However, the finish was conclusive and fair play to Froch for that, but if Groves is shit, Froch ain't much better.

Froch ain't much better? 2 stoppage wins over Groves and Froch ain't much better than Groves?

Groves had his chance and just didn't look prepared. He shot his bolt early. He tried not to in the second fight but it didn't help.