David Haines beheading: David Cameron says Britain will hunt down Isis 'monsters'

[Gandalf]

The English Muslims are just sick of the invasions and killing of innocent Muslims and it isn't easy to adapt to life in a foreign country either. If Korea was bombing the UK, how would I feel? I would get angry. Iraq was the real killer of any hope domestically in that regard. Even most non-Muslim Brits hate what we did to Iraq and want Blair in the Hague. Domestic Muslims are angrier and understandably so.

You have to admit that illegally invading a country was wrong, say sorry and lock up the bad guys. Otherwise, there is no reason to expect respect of our political system from anyone. Until you stop the source, then the blood will keep on flowing. Ignoring Saudi Arabia with 23 beheadings is a joke too. 'We must not upset them as they will attack like in 9-11'. Really? So, what is this Isis, why is Saudi Arabia still there? Why invade Iraq and mess up Syria? See, you have an agenda and are rotten. Arrest Blair, Bush, and then people will take you seriously. Otherwise, this goes on forever. Even ordinary people are completely against the establishment and are just looking for the moment to break out.

[El Kabong]

The English Muslims are just sick of the invasions and killing of innocent Muslims and it isn't easy to adapt to life in a foreign country either. If Korea was bombing the UK, how would I feel? I would get angry. Iraq was the real killer of any hope domestically in that regard. Even most non-Muslim Brits hate what we did to Iraq and want Blair in the Hague. Domestic Muslims are angrier and understandably so.

You have to admit that illegally invading a country was wrong, say sorry and lock up the bad guys. Otherwise, there is no reason to expect respect of our political system from anyone. Until you stop the source, then the blood will keep on flowing. Ignoring Saudi Arabia with 23 beheadings is a joke too. 'We must not upset them as they will attack like in 9-11'. Really? So, what is this Isis, why is Saudi Arabia still there? Why invade Iraq and mess up Syria? See, you have an agenda and are rotten. Arrest Blair, Bush, and then people will take you seriously. Otherwise, this goes on forever. Even ordinary people are completely against the establishment and are just looking for the moment to break out.

Fuck you miles

[Gandalf]

The English Muslims are just sick of the invasions and killing of innocent Muslims and it isn't easy to adapt to life in a foreign country either. If Korea was bombing the UK, how would I feel? I would get angry. Iraq was the real killer of any hope domestically in that regard. Even most non-Muslim Brits hate what we did to Iraq and want Blair in the Hague. Domestic Muslims are angrier and understandably so.

You have to admit that illegally invading a country was wrong, say sorry and lock up the bad guys. Otherwise, there is no reason to expect respect of our political system from anyone. Until you stop the source, then the blood will keep on flowing. Ignoring Saudi Arabia with 23 beheadings is a joke too. 'We must not upset them as they will attack like in 9-11'. Really? So, what is this Isis, why is Saudi Arabia still there? Why invade Iraq and mess up Syria? See, you have an agenda and are rotten. Arrest Blair, Bush, and then people will take you seriously. Otherwise, this goes on forever. Even ordinary people are completely against the establishment and are just looking for the moment to break out.

Fuck you miles

Here we go again.

It was wrong to invade Iraq. Can you not see that? It creates blow back in so many ways too regardless of the illegality. Iraq is like it is because of America. I am no Muslim, but I can rationalise and see why some Brits would be so angry. There are no penalties for invading countries illegally and so people take it personally and then want to do something. If people could see that Bush and Blair are put in a cell and we apologise, then it is a sign that we don't want eternal war with a new group that we also funded, scripted, and gave weapons to, but of course, eternal war is the point. Be it real or make believe and it really is a mix of the two.

[El Kabong]

Here we go again.

It was wrong to invade Iraq. Can you not see that? It creates blow back in so many ways too regardless of the illegality. Iraq is like it is because of America. I am no Muslim, but I can rationalise and see why some Brits would be so angry. There are no penalties for invading countries illegally and so people take it personally and then want to do something. If people could see that Bush and Blair are put in a cell and we apologise, then it is a sign that we don't want eternal war with a new group that we also funded, scripted, and gave weapons to, but of course, eternal war is the point. Be it real or make believe and it really is a mix of the two.

Indeed "here we go again" because I'm going to take you to fucking school AGAIN

#1 Saddam Hussein refused UN weapons inspectors access to certain areas in DIRECT violation of the guidelines set up following the Persian Gulf War.

fuck you miles

#2 Congress voted to authorize use of armed forces in Iraq

fuck you miles

#3 The UN Security Council voted UNANIMOUSLY 15-0 on resolution 1441 meaning it had even MORE support than the Persian Gulf War

fuck you miles

#4 Kofi "Oil for Food" Annan said that "I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal." ....which is his OPINION and it is very different from the sheer FACTS that Iraq YES undeniably violated the guidelines set up after the Persian Gulf War when he was so graciously allowed to stay in power.

So again

fuck you miles and how about you take some time and instead of being a contrarian twat fucking read up on what actually happened and learn something you effete jackass.

[Gandalf]

No....

1. You tortured the Iraqi people with sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of children.
2. Thus achieved the time was right to strike.
3. Iraq had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11/ Zero.
4. You had to get Saddam regardless.
5. WMD was the key word......a lie and which should have collapsed a functioning democracy.
6. Saddam wanted to trade in Euros, anything to break the crippling sanctions....he wasn't allowed to.
7. Then you decided, we will get you regardless, you contrary git.

Well, maybe you did. But it was wrong. I am no Muslim, but I think more of Saddam than Tony Blair or brain dead Bush. I really do and many others do too. They are Muslim and they are angry.

I know my history, I read up on the issues, more than most in fact and certainly more than you. You created the havoc, but the part you don't realise is that your lovely government is mixing up the brew. You gave the weapons and training and now abdicate responsibility.

This is your fault. Again. You have created the enemy. Armed both sides as usual in fact.

[ryanman]

No....

1. You tortured the Iraqi people with sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of children.
2. Thus achieved the time was right to strike.
3. Iraq had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11/ Zero.
4. You had to get Saddam regardless.
5. WMD was the key word......a lie and which should have collapsed a functioning democracy.
6. Saddam wanted to trade in Euros, anything to break the crippling sanctions....he wasn't allowed to.
7. Then you decided, we will get you regardless, you contrary git.

Well, maybe you did. But it was wrong. I am no Muslim, but I think more of Saddam than Tony Blair or brain dead Bush. I really do and many others do too. They are Muslim and they are angry.

I know my history, I read up on the issues, more than most in fact and certainly more than you. You created the havoc, but the part you don't realise is that your lovely government is mixing up the brew. You gave the weapons and training and now abdicate responsibility.

This is your fault. Again. You have created the enemy. Armed both sides as usual in fact.

I fail to see what that has to do with ISIS.

ISIS weren't undertaking any anti American actions. They were and are trying to impose a subjugated and united (by fear) Islamic state across Syria and Iraq. Which does not include Shias or Kurds by the way. They are oppressors. Oppose them.


Two other things generally (not directed at you Miles) -
Even Al -Qaeda dissociated themselves from ISIS earlier this year due to their barbarity (basically this boiled down to them killing Muslims too, something that Al-Qaeda drew the line at.

@Greenbeanz Did you see that news this evening that had a couple of different videos of Muslims appealing to ISIS to release Alan Henning? One was in tears.
Just thought it was a positive thing to see.

Also, even Al Qaeda told them to release him (this was months ago, not since it has been made public though).