Should Scotland stay in the UK?

[superheavyrhun]

Miles you are unbelievablely naive. Rhun you are peddling bullshit with this "under the English yoke" rubbish. Scotland if it votes yes will not lower taxes or move to the left or become some beacon of freedom like the braveheart myth. They will rush to Europe without the bargaining power of the union behind them and actually be financially worse of. They are a tiny spoilt minority who have been subsidised by the rest of the UK and England would actually be richer without them. The remoteness of Westminster from the common man is just as real in Cornwall, the north and Wales as it is in Scotland but the moneyed lairds and millionaires behind the yes vote have just shouted the loudest and succeeded in duping many with their propoganda.

So if England is better off without them are you then supporting the Yes vote? After all, if it makes your country wealthier surely its a win-win situation for you and the Yes camp. Reports say 3,000 of those millionaires would move to England if Scotland becomes indpendent, therefore making your country even wealthier again!

[Xwetie]

What's the difference between Scotland and Uk? thought it was the same, just different name

[superheavyrhun]

What's the difference between Scotland and Uk? thought it was the same, just different name

The UK is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, in terms of decreasing size, with the vicious selfish lords of the English aristocracy dominating the country and pretending there is a democracy. Should Scotland fail in their attempt to gain independence, it is believed that Alex "Broadsword" Salmond will unite the tribes for an assault upon the keeps of Northern England. Carlisle will fall without a trace in the first exchanges, but those horrible English will fight until they once more dominate the region. Wales will send archers, but with their nukes parked in Scotland, it will be a short lived rebellion.

[Dia bando]

What's the difference between Scotland and Uk? thought it was the same, just different name

The UK is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, in terms of decreasing size, with the vicious selfish lords of the English aristocracy dominating the country and pretending there is a democracy. Should Scotland fail in their attempt to gain independence, it is believed that Alex "Broadsword" Salmond will unite the tribes for an assault upon the keeps of Northern England. Carlisle will fall without a trace in the first exchanges, but those horrible English will fight until they once more dominate the region. Wales will send archers, but with their nukes parked in Scotland, it will be a short lived rebellion.

You tell a good story mate, but were are the hobbits you got to have hobbits mate.

[p4pking]

What's the difference between Scotland and Uk? thought it was the same, just different name

I thought Scandinavian countries value education

[Gandalf]

Today is the day and I am so excited. I haven't been this excited since Hatton/Mayweather and prior to that England/Germany 1990. Both times I shed a tear, so I am hoping this is 3rd time lucky. I am an aging man and I should no longer cry. Something in me feels dark and dangerous and that means that my spider senses are tingling. I can sense something. It is like when Mayweather fights, you just know beforehand he is going to cheat and the referee will do nothing about it. The officials will try to impede on the beautiful vision, hope and glory.

Come on Scotland, every one of you needs to count. Your bravery, your awakening, has touched me. In a world of corruption, hate, and abuse, you are still there going toe to toe with the war machine and they are scared. You see it in their eyes, the way they are begging you to stay, so that they can line their coffers, their expenses, their wars, with your resources and your hard earned taxes. You have never voted Tory and neither did the rest of the country, but they got in regardless and have assaulted the world and their own people with acts of savagery not known since the previous administration, the Labour of that worthless swine, Tony Blair.

A million dead and a collapsed and fraudulent economic system and to then blame ordinary people and assault them with lies about terror and needing austerity when they bankrupted the system for their mates and invaded sovereign countries. You want more of this? Look what they are setting up right now and they have paid for it at your expense! Austerity and war will never end with this lot. Do the right thing.

People want freedom and hope and you give us hope that freedom can be.

[palmerq]

I'd be amazed if they vote yes :S U.k to continue as normal after tomorrow.

[Gandalf]

I cannot believe it is the poll today, but we are not going to know the result until this time tomorrow. This is intolerable, how on earth are we going to be able to wait another 24 hours? It's driving me insane!

4 million people with a third of the entire land and untapped resources! How brilliant will that be for them! Scotland already knows how to make excellent products. People will pay hundreds of dollars here for their whiskey. Shortbread! I buy my sausages from a Scottish butcher. I love Scotland! There is so much potential and what a word that is: POTENTIAL! It means a chance, hope! To rip up welfare reform, privatisation, fracking, wars. This is brilliant. It's life!

Get your shoe off of my face! I will push you to the ground shouting 'I don't like you and what you have done, you freemason scum!' Secret handshakes, get out. These men wear skirts and I bloody well like it. George Orwell lived out his days in Scotland, he knew the score.

[Britkid]

I'd be amazed if they vote yes :S U.k to continue as normal after tomorrow.

They will vote no, but a federal structure is going to lead to big changes in the way the UK works.

[Beanz]

In answer to both Rhun and Miles, money is not the most important thing in life so why would an English man want to throw away the Union in order only to make his own country richer ? Are you really both that shallow ? I like to think not.

Alex fishy Salmon is raising a false flag on a tidal wave of negativity. His entire campaign has been based on a fantasy, so really I should not be surprised by Miles being so easily led up the garden path. The reality is that many of the great things about Britain have fuck all to do with Scotland, and that the few concessions they have made to the left like free education has been heavily subsidised by the English. The tyranny of the multi conglomerates will continue under the SNP and the infrastructure put into to place by the BRITISH will continue to make the barons rich and everyone else poorer. You can not have your shortbread whilst simultaneously eating it.

Maybe we should pull up all the roads, pipes, cables,railways, etc laid by the British and throw that away along with the language, sterling and all the joint history of achievements as a United Kingdom and just shut our English mouths as the sheeple all follow Alex and his pipe, like so many rats into the sea. That would fit the nationalist narrative nicely and then any subsequent problems that Scotland suffers could once again be blamed on the English as though the Northern Irish and Welsh don't exist at all or are all Halo wearing saints.

The Scottish government has already placed less priority on funding the NHS than England. It has allowed even the extremely affluent the luxury of free prescriptions which could have funded help for the less fortunate in real need. Salmond's Scotland will ditch it's promise of social democracy and welcome in the Russian and Chinese elite, lowering taxes for the uber rich and suffocating those at the bottom of the pile in the process.

The Scots already have a separate legal and education system, it's own parliament and MP's in Westminster including two very recent Scottish Prime ministers in Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, in case you have forgotten, so accusations of sweating under an unfair English yoke are nonsense and negative ruses to divide and misinform.

The vitriol, hate and violence espoused by the yes campaign towards anyone challenging their imaginary twisted Union in which there lies no vestige of decency or value is astonishing. When Alex and his cronies attack the United Kingdom they attack not only the English, Welsh and Northern Irish that make such a unique system great but also the Scottish men and women who have enough common sense to understand the value and importance of tolerating difference within the same family. Britain ditching the "Great" prefix was understandable, but seeking to repaint the vandalism of breaking up a United Kingdom as some kind of valiant and honorable march towards freedom, is both dishonest and stupid. I may not have a vote, but I will not sit here in silence and pretend that the Scottish never added anything to that great union, or that the sporting,military, cultural,literary,artistic and political achievements we made together can be so casually dismissed and consigned to dustbin of history, just to appear trendy and right on like countless other dopey, fuzzy headed, non-Scottish nationalist cheerleaders.

[Gandalf]

If Scotland stays, where is the possibility of the UK ever ending austerity? War? Privatisation? etc etc. There is simply no defence against the Westminster onslaught. The health service is being privatised by stealth, the mail service is already gone. Labour says it will continue the same things. At least Salmond is saying sensible things such as not allowing vulnerable people to suffer, education, free healthcare etc and he also suggests how to pay for it. Getting rid of nuclear weapons is a great thing. I just don't understand how anybody could want the status quo to continue. It has failed for 30 years and there is nothing to suggest it will improve. It is getting worse and Labour says they will perpetuate it. There is no way out with the current system. It simply has to go and I don't even see how this vote is close, most of the views I have seen are yes.

What do you get out of it? Most ordinary people get nothing from this system except the screw. How can anyone want to continue the Westminster model?These are clearly not your values, Greenbeanz, so I struggle to understand you. You are against cuts on welfare, NHS eradication and so on. You have seen the model in place over decades. It won't be reversed by these Eton clowns. If Scotland can be free then I am happy and pleased for them. All in it together shouldn't mean everyone goes down together.

[Beanz]

If Scotland stays, where is the possibility of the UK ever ending austerity? War? Privatisation? etc etc. There is simply no defence against the Westminster onslaught. The health service is being privatised by stealth, the mail service is already gone. Labour says it will continue the same things. At least Salmond is saying sensible things such as not allowing vulnerable people to suffer, education, free healthcare etc and he also suggests how to pay for it. Getting rid of nuclear weapons is a great thing. I just don't understand how anybody could want the status quo to continue. It has failed for 30 years and there is nothing to suggest it will improve. It is getting worse and Labour says they will perpetuate it. There is no way out with the current system. It simply has to go and I don't even see how this vote is close, most of the views I have seen are yes.

What do you get out of it? Most ordinary people get nothing from this system except the screw. How can anyone want to continue the Westminster model?These are clearly not your values, Greenbeanz, so I struggle to understand you. You are against cuts on welfare, NHS eradication and so on. You have seen the model in place over decades. It won't be reversed by these Eton clowns. If Scotland can be free then I am happy and pleased for them. All in it together shouldn't mean everyone goes down together.

I vote for the Green party not Labour. Salmond is saying lots of things but they are all lies. He is looking after himself and all the other cronies and you have fallen for it hook, line and sinker just as you have blindly followed that other schill Alex Jones.

[Gandalf]

I know you do, but they are not going to do anything in a first past the post system for a long, long time. Voting is effectively redundant and yet here people are having a direct say and thus they are galvanised. People are active in Scotland and want democracy. The UK system is broken and I haven't fallen for any lies. I just like to see people active and free.

[Britkid]

I vote for the Green party not Labour. Salmond is saying lots of things but they are all lies.

The Green party is in alliance with the SNP over Scottish Independence though...

[Beanz]

I vote for the Green party not Labour. Salmond is saying lots of things but they are all lies.

The Green party though is in alliance with the SNP over Scottish Independence though...

And?.....

on this they are mistaken.

It is quite Ironic that a poster with your moniker should think the break up a good idea.