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    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mikeeod View Post
    Holmes didn't push him to a decision, he used every bit of heart, guile and trick at his disposal to SURVIVE to the decision. There is a difference. Regardless, the bottom line is that when Tyson was favored to beat Evander he was broken mentally and knocked out. Any excuse or abstract thought process you want to use is meaningless. Also, the majority of the boxing public agrees that Tyson feasted in inferior competition, and that Holmes, Lewis, Evander were all superior fighters during their prime years. U r definitively a HUGE Tyson fan, which is a good things as I think Mike is a good guy for the most part. We will just agree to disagree I guess...
    No. What you are doing is refusing to accept that some of the same fighters Mike beat with ease in his actual prime gave the fighters you want to think that are better than Mike a harder fight years later. Thats ignorance.

    Mike fought. Holyfield 10 years after winning the title and 4 years enforced absence. He was not the same fighter that even beat Alex Stewart in a round. The same Alex Stewart that was robbed against Foreman and took Holyfield, Moorer and Maskaev rounds.
    Alright, I see what u r saying now. Not their head to head match up, that was meaningless. We need to compare how each did vs similar opposition and u feel that Tyson won more impressively against Holmes and Stewart. You mentioned Stewart specifically as proof, so we can assume that u feel that Tyson was prime. Well, Evander destroyed the prime Douglas who dominated the undefeated and prime Tyson. Lewis and Evander both performed better vs each other than Tyson ever did. He didn't last the distance with either. Hopefully putting it like that helps u.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Master View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mikeeod View Post
    Holmes didn't push him to a decision, he used every bit of heart, guile and trick at his disposal to SURVIVE to the decision. There is a difference. Regardless, the bottom line is that when Tyson was favored to beat Evander he was broken mentally and knocked out. Any excuse or abstract thought process you want to use is meaningless. Also, the majority of the boxing public agrees that Tyson feasted in inferior competition, and that Holmes, Lewis, Evander were all superior fighters during their prime years. U r definitively a HUGE Tyson fan, which is a good things as I think Mike is a good guy for the most part. We will just agree to disagree I guess...
    What majority of boxing public?
    Um, the majority of knowledgeable individuals who follow the sport. I have seen numerous historical rankings of fighters, and I can't remember any that have Tyson ahead of Evander. Have u seen many that rank Mike higher?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeeod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
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    Holmes didn't push him to a decision, he used every bit of heart, guile and trick at his disposal to SURVIVE to the decision. There is a difference. Regardless, the bottom line is that when Tyson was favored to beat Evander he was broken mentally and knocked out. Any excuse or abstract thought process you want to use is meaningless. Also, the majority of the boxing public agrees that Tyson feasted in inferior competition, and that Holmes, Lewis, Evander were all superior fighters during their prime years. U r definitively a HUGE Tyson fan, which is a good things as I think Mike is a good guy for the most part. We will just agree to disagree I guess...
    No. What you are doing is refusing to accept that some of the same fighters Mike beat with ease in his actual prime gave the fighters you want to think that are better than Mike a harder fight years later. Thats ignorance.

    Mike fought. Holyfield 10 years after winning the title and 4 years enforced absence. He was not the same fighter that even beat Alex Stewart in a round. The same Alex Stewart that was robbed against Foreman and took Holyfield, Moorer and Maskaev rounds.
    Alright, I see what u r saying now. Not their head to head match up, that was meaningless. We need to compare how each did vs similar opposition and u feel that Tyson won more impressively against Holmes and Stewart. You mentioned Stewart specifically as proof, so we can assume that u feel that Tyson was prime. Well, Evander destroyed the prime Douglas who dominated the undefeated and prime Tyson. Lewis and Evander both performed better vs each other than Tyson ever did. He didn't last the distance with either. Hopefully putting it like that helps u.
    Prime Douglas who came in grossly overweight and sat on his fat ass and counted the money.
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    I get it, when Evander scores the win then we put in the extra information for context. When Tyson scores the win, we just look at the win and take it at face value. Good way to analyze fighters and their rankings. Seems logical to me.

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