Do people actually believe there exists a champion in the history of boxing...

[Mr140]

I can not Think of one person Evander Holyfeild ducked man was fighting a hall of famer in like his 12 or it was his 15 not sure not going to look for lienel CW title. Then goes up and fights pretty much ever fucking heavyweight to walk the planet sometimes out weighing by like fucking 40 pounds at times.

[IamInuit]

Yeah when you fight once a week or once a month you dont fight padded 32 and 0 guys or the others that fight once or twice a year to attain that big 0 mark. And wouldn't you know it when you fight as often as other eras did, you lose once in awhile and sometimes to much lesser men. This verses publicity stunts that fight a couple of times a year for millions against no hopers.

John L never fought a black contender. Oh it was racism alright but he and the rest of his crew knew they would have gotten shit kicked also so the colour barrier was convenient.

The same was practiced in every division at the time and how Dixon was able to capture two titles during those days is anyone's guess and then later Johnson via Burns breaking the colour barrier.

Speaking of Johnson, even he ducked fellow African Americans and Canadians when it mattered most but even in his day he was quoted as saying, "there is no money in it"

Langford although not an establishment world champion could not buy a fight and the only people that fought him were the other gents that were being ducked and in many ways, that group was the first Murderers row.

Dempsey ducked anyone darker then an albino. Greb was one of the rare guys of that era that ducked nobody in his 300 fight run.

Speaking of the Murders row, it was not just Burley that Robinson past on, it was the entire crew that fought in his weight area. He did fight Wade after he had retired for 2 years. And it was not just Ray either as the entire establishment belittled and maligned those guys. Moore was the only one of the group to get a title shot. It only took him 160 fights.



The difference today is that money is always used, overused and a cop out. In addition those who most often use it get well over 7 figures fighting janitors. What do you suppose Alvarez will get for fighting Clottey? I mean its hilarious. Its become sanctioned mediocrity. Today there is no need to fight the best because of the cash involved and in fact "ducking" is the accepted norm.