Psychological Greats

[Hulk]

I've always enjoyed Ricardo El Matador Mayorga's pre-fight antics and psychological warfare... 'cept he takes a good @$$-whupping at the fight though...

It wasn't always that way.

[beenKOed]

I've always enjoyed Ricardo El Matador Mayorga's pre-fight antics and psychological warfare... 'cept he takes a good @$$-whupping at the fight though...

It wasn't always that way.

I always thought of Mayorga as a clown, his antics were so transparent.

[Bill Paxtom]

Master

If you are blind, I can understand not 'seeing' the devastating mind game that Larry
dished on Muhammad.

After that bout, everyone turned their back on Muhammad and felt sorry for him.

Pity is the worst type of 'psychological pain'.

[Master]

Master

If you are blind, I can understand not 'seeing' the devastating mind game that Larry
dished on Muhammad.

After that bout, everyone turned their back on Muhammad and felt sorry for him.

Pity is the worst type of 'psychological pain'.

Are you that blind to see that Holmes did not have to carry out any mind games on Ali. Muhammad was barely able to talk and walk never mind get in the ring with a great hungry champion.

[Bill Paxtom]

Not True

Muhammad Ali was in great physical shape, and was as sharp as a 'tack'.

He even said so himself.

[Master]

Not True

Muhammad Ali was in great physical shape, and was as sharp as a 'tack'.

He even said so himself.

He would say that he was selling the fight! Look at him, he was ill. Why do you not see that?

[mikeeod]

Not True

Muhammad Ali was in great physical shape, and was as sharp as a 'tack'.

He even said so himself.

He would say that he was selling the fight! Look at him, he was ill. Why do you not see that?

Master, I think he is just messing with you. Ali was a fraction of the fighter he was during his prime when they met. I would just let it go, if he really feels like that there isn't anything u r going to be able to say to change his mind anyways.

[SugarBoxing]

Not True

Muhammad Ali was in great physical shape, and was as sharp as a 'tack'.

He even said so himself.

I cannot recall the source, but peoplpe say his hands were shaking and he did act like a person with mental problems

[Ron Swanson]

This psychological stuff is viewed wrong. Yes Hopkins pulled some nice stunts but any way you look at it he was going to box the WW great Tito to bits. Any way you look at it he was going to beat Holmes. You see evidence that the result is actually drawn from the result by someone saying it didn't work against Calzaghe. The difference wasn't the psychological war, it was the opponent.People say he won this fight so that psychological stuff must have worked or he lost so it must not have. When it was never about that.

Psychological war is fought in small details. Make a guy think about your straight right when your gameplan revolves around the left hook. If a guy has stamina issues make him think about that, nothing taxes the body like nerves. Or maybe they fight at a slower pace.

Drawing conclusions from the result is faulty, look at the action. Don't look at the whole, was a detail effected and capitalized on. We fans want to make dramatic all encompassing statements. To make these statements we stretch small factors into deciding factors.

[mikeeod]

This psychological stuff is viewed wrong. Yes Hopkins pulled some nice stunts but any way you look at it he was going to box the WW great Tito to bits. Any way you look at it he was going to beat Holmes. You see evidence that the result is actually drawn from the result by someone saying it didn't work against Calzaghe. The difference wasn't the psychological war, it was the opponent.People say he won this fight so that psychological stuff must have worked or he lost so it must not have. When it was never about that.

Psychological war is fought in small details. Make a guy think about your straight right when your gameplan revolves around the left hook. If a guy has stamina issues make him think about that, nothing taxes the body like nerves. Or maybe they fight at a slower pace.

Drawing conclusions from the result is faulty, look at the action. Don't look at the whole, was a detail effected and capitalized on. We fans want to make dramatic all encompassing statements. To make these statements we stretch small factors into deciding factors.

That is a stretch Ron. Again, Hop had everyone, including Tito, looking for a back alley brawl and came out and put on a clinic. You can try and downplay it all you want, but ANYONE who followed the sport at that time was shocked at Hopkins fighting like that. Shocked.

As for looking at the small things, I used the example of Pascal in the rematch. If you don't think it messed with Pascals mind to have Hop constantly discuss Pascals stamina issues, you're crazy. Pascal was mentally exhausted by the 10th round. Again, the most impressive part of Hops mind games is how he uses them on judges n refs with success as well.

[Ron Swanson]

This psychological stuff is viewed wrong. Yes Hopkins pulled some nice stunts but any way you look at it he was going to box the WW great Tito to bits. Any way you look at it he was going to beat Holmes. You see evidence that the result is actually drawn from the result by someone saying it didn't work against Calzaghe. The difference wasn't the psychological war, it was the opponent.People say he won this fight so that psychological stuff must have worked or he lost so it must not have. When it was never about that.

Psychological war is fought in small details. Make a guy think about your straight right when your gameplan revolves around the left hook. If a guy has stamina issues make him think about that, nothing taxes the body like nerves. Or maybe they fight at a slower pace.

Drawing conclusions from the result is faulty, look at the action. Don't look at the whole, was a detail effected and capitalized on. We fans want to make dramatic all encompassing statements. To make these statements we stretch small factors into deciding factors.

That is a stretch Ron. Again, Hop had everyone, including Tito, looking for a back alley brawl and came out and put on a clinic. You can try and downplay it all you want, but ANYONE who followed the sport at that time was shocked at Hopkins fighting like that. Shocked.

As for looking at the small things, I used the example of Pascal in the rematch. If you don't think it messed with Pascals mind to have Hop constantly discuss Pascals stamina issues, you're crazy. Pascal was mentally exhausted by the 10th round. Again, the most impressive part of Hops mind games is how he uses them on judges n refs with success as well.

First, I wasn't surprised by how Hop fought in the least. The only aspect that was a surprise to me was how clean he fought.

As for your second part, did you read my post? I spoke about how you definitely call attention to stamina issues.

I don't think he's had much success tricking judges. I can't think of one fight he should have lost but was awarded but I can think of multiple he might have actually won but wasn't awarded.

[brocktonblockbust]

Yeah Foreman dıd ıt ın a weırd way dıdnt he. Just how could that clubber be subtle, I dont know, but he seemed to ınfluence referees especıally, got away wıth alot of pushıng and never lost a poınt.