Some thought on Tyson

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

80% of Tyson's career was with shit trainers that wanted to see Tyson do the square-on weeble-wabble punch by numbers system. It really resent this because Tyson had good upper-body movement and a reliable chin so really could have put his attributes to better use.

I always felt that fighting more like James Toney (early-mid noughties) would have much better suited Tyson - as a more side-on fighter, not trying to load up on so much.

[El Kabong]

D'Mato and Rooney got Tyson to reach his potential. I don't think Dundee could have offered him much different...I mean Angie worked with Carmen Basillio and he was kind of a pressure fighter but I just don't see Angie having much more to offer Tyson than Cus and Rooney did. Would Tyson have done well under Atlas? Who knows. Kevin Rooney obviously hasn't found the right guy to recapture the magic he had with Tyson. I think later on in his career Tyson just needed to be in the gym more and not have a trainer who would accept his not showing up. Since he was around at the time I do wonder why Eddie Futch was never considered for Tyson? Manny Steward also may have helped. Both of those guys were certainly better than Aaron Snowell

[J_Undisputed]

Angelo, Eddie and Manny didn't have the patience for tysons nonsense outside the ring. Even Cus, kevin and others went through their growing pains with tyson as pubicly known. You have to realize that Tyson was brought up on the Cus Peek a boo /number system. They kept that in the fold because it was a point of reference. Theoretically if the skills were sharp and the training was done, all you had to do was nurse him mentally/emotionally through the fight. To abandon that system and try to remake tyson all over again would have just unmade Tyson. Tyson was a student of the game but look at the latter part of his career where he slacked off, years removed from all of that and every cook that came through the kitchen was trying to add their own spice to the pot. Roach, Snowell, Brooks, Muhammed, Fenech. Tyson stopped moving his head and only moved his hands, He didnt get as low and he used to, he telegraphed his punches, he got frustrated easier by guys like buster mathis junior.

That system, Cus's presence, Rooneys voice, Jacobs backing.. all of it was a perfect storm that came together and kept mike and his confidence whole. Piece by piece they were removed and it stripped him mentally back down to that scared kid he was before he was robbing and breaking into houses in Brooklyn.

[SugarBoxing]

D'Mato and Rooney got Tyson to reach his potential. I don't think Dundee could have offered him much different...I mean Angie worked with Carmen Basillio and he was kind of a pressure fighter but I just don't see Angie having much more to offer Tyson than Cus and Rooney did. Would Tyson have done well under Atlas? Who knows. Kevin Rooney obviously hasn't found the right guy to recapture the magic he had with Tyson. I think later on in his career Tyson just needed to be in the gym more and not have a trainer who would accept his not showing up. Since he was around at the time I do wonder why Eddie Futch was never considered for Tyson? Manny Steward also may have helped. Both of those guys were certainly better than Aaron Snowell

I meant hire Dundee at that point of his career. I believe after title fights he grew over Rooney, Rooney was OK when he was instilling Cus's principles, in mittowork, general conditioning, but Rooney got not OK when he was teaching Mike based on his experience.

[imp]

80% of Tyson's career was with shit trainers that wanted to see Tyson do the square-on weeble-wabble punch by numbers system. It really resent this because Tyson had good upper-body movement and a reliable chin so really could have put his attributes to better use.

I always felt that fighting more like James Toney (early-mid noughties) would have much better suited Tyson - as a more side-on fighter, not trying to load up on so much.

But tyson had a short reach and was the smallest heavyweight so im not sure how that toney style would have worked for him.

[El Kabong]

But tyson had a short reach and was the smallest heavyweight so im not sure how that toney style would have worked for him.

Well I think as a shorter fighter making your opponent reach for you and you roll and counter DOES work but given Tyson's mentality you have to wonder if he would be patient enough to wait for that picture perfect shot. I think being a pure counter puncher is the exact opposite to being a pressure fighter which is what Tyson was trained to do for his entire career.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

80% of Tyson's career was with shit trainers that wanted to see Tyson do the square-on weeble-wabble punch by numbers system. It really resent this because Tyson had good upper-body movement and a reliable chin so really could have put his attributes to better use.

I always felt that fighting more like James Toney (early-mid noughties) would have much better suited Tyson - as a more side-on fighter, not trying to load up on so much.

But tyson had a short reach and was the smallest heavyweight so im not sure how that toney style would have worked for him.

James Toney = 5ft 9/ 72 ins reach
Mike Tyson = 5ft 11/ 71 ins reach

No difference IMO