Some thought on Tyson

[El Kabong]

Every loss tyson had was way past his prime.

We have to look at pre douglas even though he had douglas down for ten seconds.

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And look at who he fought at that point in his career, a bunch of cling-ons from Larry Holmes' era

[Master]

Every loss tyson had was way past his prime.

We have to look at pre douglas even though he had douglas down for ten seconds.

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And look at who he fought at that point in his career, a bunch of cling-ons from Larry Holmes' era

For the record your honour. Tucker and Biggs were undefeated fighters not from Holmes era.

[El Kabong]

For the record your honour. Tucker and Biggs were undefeated fighters not from Holmes era.

So 2 decent heavyweights

[El Kabong]

I do wonder about a young Tyson being groomed for the heavyweight division by Eddie Futch though. I don't know if that would weaken the mentality of Tyson or if he would be more calm and tougher psychologically.

[Master]

For the record your honour. Tucker and Biggs were undefeated fighters not from Holmes era.

So 2 decent heavyweights

Pinklon was decent and gave a good effort, Berbick fought the wrong fight, Bonecrusher tried hugging, Spinks got scared, Tubbs tried his best, Bruno was limited, Williams got cocky.

[bradlee180]

Nah, Mitch Green hit the prime Tyson quite a bit.
6'5", 29 year old Mitch Green didn't fight scared, and he went the full 10 rd distance with the prime Tyson; Tyson won the Title 6 months after the Mitch Green fight.
They were both contenders at the time: Green with only one loss 9 months earlier to Trevor Berbick, who Tyson would defeat 6 months later.
Green went toe-to-toe quite a bit in that fight, Tyson didn't cave in over it.
It's too bad they didn't rematch down the line.

[bradlee180]

I don't think Angelo Dundee in his corner would've helped Tyson very much regarding strategy.
He was more of a motivational-speaker type rather than a great strategist.

[SugarBoxing]

I don't think Angelo Dundee in his corner would've helped Tyson very much regarding strategy.
He was more of a motivational-speaker type rather than a great strategist.

My point is not the help, but harm. Dundee presence would not harm him, unlike Rooney

[Dark Lord Al]

For the record your honour. Tucker and Biggs were undefeated fighters not from Holmes era.

So 2 decent heavyweights

And neither was a big hitter.

[Spicoli]

Tyson simply wouldn't have been Tyson minus Cus and Rooney. He was in a decent test and made adjustments, sounds like it worked itself out Fighting style wise like a Toney just wouldn't have worked cause that was as much icey mental awareness and a calm storm for James as it was shoulder roll and killer 6' inch inside counters. Tysons mentality was not some unshakable foundation.

[imp]

Every loss tyson had was way past his prime.

We have to look at pre douglas even though he had douglas down for ten seconds.

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And look at who he fought at that point in his career, a bunch of cling-ons from Larry Holmes' era

Talking of cling-ons..hows wlad?

Is his next fight in wwe this time?

Pot kettle black stones glass houses.

[El Kabong]

Wlad fought a few cling-ons from the Lewis era no doubt, BUT he's fought far more guys that Lewis didn't fight and guys who have came up during Wlad's title reign because his title run has lasted that long. All the guys Wlad has fought that Lennox fought he's beaten them easily and typically early in his career: Botha, Mercer, Jackson, the latest one was Rahman who was never in the fight.

[Master]

Wlad fought a few cling-ons from the Lewis era no doubt, BUT he's fought far more guys that Lewis didn't fight and guys who have came up during Wlad's title reign because his title run has lasted that long. All the guys Wlad has fought that Lennox fought he's beaten them easily and typically early in his career: Botha, Mercer, Jackson, the latest one was Rahman who was never in the fight.

Some of these fighters did not belong in the ring with Wlad - Rahman had no legs and Mercer had no resistance.

[El Kabong]

Wlad fought a few cling-ons from the Lewis era no doubt, BUT he's fought far more guys that Lewis didn't fight and guys who have came up during Wlad's title reign because his title run has lasted that long. All the guys Wlad has fought that Lennox fought he's beaten them easily and typically early in his career: Botha, Mercer, Jackson, the latest one was Rahman who was never in the fight.

Some of these fighters did not belong in the ring with Wlad - Rahman had no legs and Mercer had no resistance.

Well that fight was the first anyone found out about it. Wlad was the very first fighter to knock Ray down with a punch to the head and the very first to stop Ray. Old or not that means something when a fighter does that.

[Spicoli]

Holyfield first did a little something to Rays punch resistance in the 8th round courtesy of two left hooks