Floyd's competition vs Manny's competition

[mikeeod]

The majority of us would probably all agree that floyd has the edge in the harder opponents and has consistently beat everyone of his 47 opponents including castillo with a torn rotator.

Can we please discuss manny pac 5 losses..?

Do you think we could touch on that a teeny weeny bit?

Manny is a great guy (no doubt) but lets exclude the wars he had with marquez with the last one leaving him completely sparked out by an out of prime 40 year old who jumped up in weight?!!

Lets stay away from the easy accusation of nut hugging and deflecting the arguement and deal with mannys great but flawed record.

Floyd and manny are worlds apart in skill and £worth£ but lets keep ignoring it and make it seem like manny is ying to floyds yang as it keeps everyone guessing..

Next time this thread should be between manny and bradley as they both beat each other but after bradleys injury in the second fight it was plain to see he was a different fighter (again).

Close your eyes.

Put your house on the fight.

Be honest with yourself

Who would you really bet on to win..exactly.

Seems like the majority on the board feel Pac fought tougher comp. I only see yourself and Beanflicker saying opposite and really not making much sense or a convincing argument. You can see the bias come through in your guys posts. Honestly, you don't make very many rational, unbiased observations, you just get frustrated and end up off topic on who would win a head to head fight, who beat what version of whom...etc. Good down the list. Look at 1) fighters ranked P4P at the time of the fight, 2) Times either guy was the considerable underdog and won 3) How many prime HOF fighters each guy fought. That should be your criteria and it isn't even close. I will help out and post so you guys don't have to do the work and look it up.

[ruthless rocco]

I think the bigger issue for many Mayweather fans that Pac fans don't understand and therefore don't want to address is the fact that Pacquiao refused drug testing for so long and for such ridiculous reasons that his credibility is shot.

[Beanz]

I think the bigger issue for many Mayweather fans that Pac fans don't understand and therefore don't want to address is the fact that Pacquiao refused drug testing for so long and for such ridiculous reasons that his credibility is shot.

Why do you have to frame it like a p***ng contest? Mayweather fans on one side and Manny's on the other. The reality is the majority of people here appreciate both and don't reduce themselves into such dichotomies. Mayweather does not merely represent the defensive, ring smart genius boxer and Manny only the offensive, gung ho brawler, fighter. They have elements of each others arsenal in each of their repertoire. It's why they are successful and why they are followed by Millions.

[ruthless rocco]

I think the bigger issue for many Mayweather fans that Pac fans don't understand and therefore don't want to address is the fact that Pacquiao refused drug testing for so long and for such ridiculous reasons that his credibility is shot.

[Beanz]

I think the bigger issue for many Mayweather fans that Pac fans don't understand and therefore don't want to address is the fact that Pacquiao refused drug testing for so long and for such ridiculous reasons that his credibility is shot.

Why do you have to frame it like a p***ng contest? Mayweather fans on one side and Manny's on the other. The reality is the majority of people here appreciate both and don't reduce themselves into such dichotomies. Mayweather does not merely represent the defensive, ring smart genius boxer and Manny only the offensive, gung ho brawler, fighter. They have elements of each others arsenal in each of their repertoire. It's why they are successful and why they are followed by Millions.

[Beanz]

Is there an echo in here ?

[ruthless rocco]

Steroids

[walrus]

I think the bigger issue for many Mayweather fans that Pac fans don't understand and therefore don't want to address is the fact that Pacquiao refused drug testing for so long and for such ridiculous reasons that his credibility is shot.

Pac agreed to the current standardized testing done on boxers before and after fights. Once that agreement had already been accepted then Floyd wants to start changing things. It was a non issue other than Floyd wanting to show he was the boss. Current testing finds cheats I think that would be good enough. Manny would have gone to Floyd's house where where Floyd would have had his hand injections. It's like that let that law stand for Floyd himself. Manny didn't botch about that. I think Floyd was looking to push buttons and he succeeded. Pac

Despite what I commented upon here I love Floyd in the ring. He is a marvelous spectacle of boxing. I am an official Pactard. We can tear apart the history of these guys respective past fights. I definitely think Manny is a more exciting fighter, he doesn't ride a bike as well as Floyd. I think the postponement of this fight will work in Mannys favor. I'm telling you, the fight will happen. It will be a beautiful thing and I will be happy for a month seeing Manny win.

[Rantcatrat]

The majority of us would probably all agree that floyd has the edge in the harder opponents and has consistently beat everyone of his 47 opponents including castillo with a torn rotator.

Can we please discuss manny pac 5 losses..?

Do you think we could touch on that a teeny weeny bit?

Manny is a great guy (no doubt) but lets exclude the wars he had with marquez with the last one leaving him completely sparked out by an out of prime 40 year old who jumped up in weight?!!

Lets stay away from the easy accusation of nut hugging and deflecting the arguement and deal with mannys great but flawed record.

Floyd and manny are worlds apart in skill and £worth£ but lets keep ignoring it and make it seem like manny is ying to floyds yang as it keeps everyone guessing..

Next time this thread should be between manny and bradley as they both beat each other but after bradleys injury in the second fight it was plain to see he was a different fighter (again).

Close your eyes.

Put your house on the fight.

Be honest with yourself

Who would you really bet on to win..exactly.

Seems like the majority on the board feel Pac fought tougher comp. I only see yourself and Beanflicker saying opposite and really not making much sense or a convincing argument. You can see the bias come through in your guys posts. Honestly, you don't make very many rational, unbiased observations, you just get frustrated and end up off topic on who would win a head to head fight, who beat what version of whom...etc. Good down the list. Look at 1) fighters ranked P4P at the time of the fight, 2) Times either guy was the considerable underdog and won 3) How many prime HOF fighters each guy fought. That should be your criteria and it isn't even close. I will help out and post so you guys don't have to do the work and look it up.

His logo is TMT. I didn't expect him to be rational when it came to Floyd.

Let's be honest though. Floyd hasn't lost. That's something Manny can't claim. Like Manny, he's a multiple weight champion. Are some of his wins manufactured? Yes. Are some of Manny's? Yes. Even with the weight advantage, he did something Manny has never been able to do and that's skunk Marquez. Has his opposition in the last few years been less than desired? Absolutely. Still though, he's done for the most part what he should do with that opposition. I would say his best wins came more than a few years ago. I would also say he's comparable with Manny on a historical scale. In other words, there isn't a ton separating them.

[mikeeod]

The majority of us would probably all agree that floyd has the edge in the harder opponents and has consistently beat everyone of his 47 opponents including castillo with a torn rotator.

Can we please discuss manny pac 5 losses..?

Do you think we could touch on that a teeny weeny bit?

Manny is a great guy (no doubt) but lets exclude the wars he had with marquez with the last one leaving him completely sparked out by an out of prime 40 year old who jumped up in weight?!!

Lets stay away from the easy accusation of nut hugging and deflecting the arguement and deal with mannys great but flawed record.

Floyd and manny are worlds apart in skill and £worth£ but lets keep ignoring it and make it seem like manny is ying to floyds yang as it keeps everyone guessing..

Next time this thread should be between manny and bradley as they both beat each other but after bradleys injury in the second fight it was plain to see he was a different fighter (again).

Close your eyes.

Put your house on the fight.

Be honest with yourself

Who would you really bet on to win..exactly.

Seems like the majority on the board feel Pac fought tougher comp. I only see yourself and Beanflicker saying opposite and really not making much sense or a convincing argument. You can see the bias come through in your guys posts. Honestly, you don't make very many rational, unbiased observations, you just get frustrated and end up off topic on who would win a head to head fight, who beat what version of whom...etc. Good down the list. Look at 1) fighters ranked P4P at the time of the fight, 2) Times either guy was the considerable underdog and won 3) How many prime HOF fighters each guy fought. That should be your criteria and it isn't even close. I will help out and post so you guys don't have to do the work and look it up.

His logo is TMT. I didn't expect him to be rational when it came to Floyd.

Let's be honest though. Floyd hasn't lost. That's something Manny can't claim. Like Manny, he's a multiple weight champion. Are some of his wins manufactured? Yes. Are some of Manny's? Yes. Even with the weight advantage, he did something Manny has never been able to do and that's skunk Marquez. Has his opposition in the last few years been less than desired? Absolutely. Still though, he's done for the most part what he should do with that opposition. I would say his best wins came more than a few years ago. I would also say he's comparable with Manny on a historical scale. In other words, there isn't a ton separating them.

For the most part I agree with your statement. Both are ATG fighters and neither is afraid of anyone. It's sad that boxing fans feel the need to tear down either guy to try and defend the other. This thread was started, made contentious and kept going by two or three Floyd huggers, but you can't hold that against Floyd. I still feel Manny beat better comp, but it isn't by much and Floyd is definitely a great fighter.

[ruthless rocco]

What about steroids?

[Rantcatrat]

What about steroids?

It's a good question for both guys and I think both guys will be haunted by it.

They both left a lot to be desired in that department. First, Manny won't take the test for the fight. Then, Floyd pays Manny more than $3million to settle the lawsuit against Floyd for defamation because he won't give up the results of his previous tests and has a long-standing relationship with one of the biggest testosterone guys in the South and multiple guys in his gym get busted for testosterone.

Frankly, it's sort of like baseball players in the 90's with boxing now in a way. Will we ever know who took what? I doubt it.

[Master]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

[imp]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

No way!

The big oscar floyd fought would have beat manny and margacheato on the same night!

[imp]

No one knows what was discussed in that room with al haymon and arum etc.

Bottom line is the fight could not be made and pac has signed another contract with arum as a final no to the mayweather fight.

Nothing to be rational about as I have been many times in the past but there is light between these fighters and floyd would never have lost 5 times to the opponents that manny lost too.

Manny is a great fighter and I have mentioned that many times but no one is still dealing with the fact that manny has major flaws which have been exposed 5 times over already.

Calzaghe and froch are both great fighters and I love carl froch but his losses exposed him and he wouldnt beat JC.

Same with mayweather and pac.

The constant ducking arguement doesnt work anymore and we neec to understand that floyd is older than manny but is still fighting the deadlier opposition with not a loss after all these years.

Someone (rantcatrat) will probably start comparing all the old fighters now with undefeated records and comparing them with beaten fighters that are better blah blah blah.

Being undefeated is not everything BUT it must be taken into consideration when dealing with mannys flawed record and floyds perfect one.

Should we start with morales or will someone say it was ages ago and a different weight blah blah blah..always a bloody excuse!

I thought prov was the next big pac or GGG but he took a loss to bradley and everyone eased of a bit.

Mayweather and ward are still the guys to beat in this game so dont hate on me just be happy to see this guys performing in our era.