Reverse Engineering Archie Moore and his "Lock" System

[jms]

That's awesome. Very interesting comparison to sword and buckler fighting. And a great breakdown of the system. That's one of the best things I've read in awhile.

[SugarBoxing]

I am not convicned there was a system, need to watch the fights though

Fighters do tend to fight in patterns however

[jms]

I am not convicned there was a system, need to watch the fights though

Fighters do tend to fight in patterns however

Why would you doubt it? The Mayweather's have a system, Peekaboo is a system, Moore definitely had one. System just means you have trained responses to specific things the other guy does--something other than shelling up and hoping for the best.

[SugarBoxing]

Why would you doubt it?

That's my job.

The Mayweather's have a system, Peekaboo is a system, Moore definitely had one. System just means you have trained responses to specific things the other guy does--something other than shelling up and hoping for the best.

I am always looking for a proof.

I have not discovered actual system in peekaboo or mayweather style, but I do see some patterns.

[jms]

Why would you doubt it?

That's my job.

The Mayweather's have a system, Peekaboo is a system, Moore definitely had one. System just means you have trained responses to specific things the other guy does--something other than shelling up and hoping for the best.

I am always looking for a proof.

I have not discovered actual system in peekaboo or mayweather style, but I do see some patterns.

Those are absolutely systems. It literally isn't even open for debate man. The people who teach those have answers for everything built into what they teach. I'd argue that pretty much every great trainer has a system whether they name it or not. I pointed those two out because they're likely the most famous. Just because you only see some patterns doesn't mean the whole system isn't there, because the system is definitely there. I mean even you calling them styles is wrong, because different guys trained in those systems still fight/fought different ways, with their own styles.

[BCBUD]

Why would you doubt it?

That's my job.

The Mayweather's have a system, Peekaboo is a system, Moore definitely had one. System just means you have trained responses to specific things the other guy does--something other than shelling up and hoping for the best.

I am always looking for a proof.

I have not discovered actual system in peekaboo or mayweather style, but I do see some patterns.

Those are absolutely systems. It literally isn't even open for debate man. The people who teach those have answers for everything built into what they teach. I'd argue that pretty much every great trainer has a system whether they name it or not. I pointed those two out because they're likely the most famous. Just because you only see some patterns doesn't mean the whole system isn't there, because the system is definitely there. I mean even you calling them styles is wrong, because different guys trained in those systems still fight/fought different ways, with their own styles.

If I understand nvsemin correctly than I completely agree with him.The reason being is that it's pretty hard to teach somebody a new style or even a style that they're not comfortable with!fact if somebody stands in a skate board position it's pretty hard to have them adapt to a peekaboo position or any other position for that matter.it appears that we are all born with the natural defense system for example you can train someone to fight off the front or the back foot but in the end they're going to revert to what they feel comfortable doing.

[jms]

Why would you doubt it?

That's my job.

The Mayweather's have a system, Peekaboo is a system, Moore definitely had one. System just means you have trained responses to specific things the other guy does--something other than shelling up and hoping for the best.

I am always looking for a proof.

I have not discovered actual system in peekaboo or mayweather style, but I do see some patterns.

Those are absolutely systems. It literally isn't even open for debate man. The people who teach those have answers for everything built into what they teach. I'd argue that pretty much every great trainer has a system whether they name it or not. I pointed those two out because they're likely the most famous. Just because you only see some patterns doesn't mean the whole system isn't there, because the system is definitely there. I mean even you calling them styles is wrong, because different guys trained in those systems still fight/fought different ways, with their own styles.

If I understand nvsemin correctly than I completely agree with him.The reason being is that it's pretty hard to teach somebody a new style or even a style that they're not comfortable with!fact if somebody stands in a skate board position it's pretty hard to have them adapt to a peekaboo position or any other position for that matter.it appears that we are all born with the natural defense system for example you can train someone to fight off the front or the back foot but in the end they're going to revert to what they feel comfortable doing.

Ok, again, systems and styles are very different things. A system allows multiple styles to exist in it. Not everyone trained in peekaboo fights the same, not everyone trained under the mayweathers fights the same. They have different styles but come from the same system.

Also good fights don't fight off the front foot OR the back foot, they fight off both as needed.