Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweather?

[mikeeod]

Both guys are close and depending on how you weigh the criteria is how you will rank each guy against the other. If you like consistency, multiple titles at multiple weights and no losses you favor Floyd. If you like longevity, historical accomplishments and quality of opposition you favor Hop.

The one aspect of this debate that is asinine is the question of who fought tougher comp. it's not even close. Look at the number of P4P ranked fighters each guy fought while those guys were in their prime and ranked P4P at the time of the fight. This is the only objective method for weighing quality of opposition. Hop wins big here. Not even close...

[ruthless rocco]

One of them deliberately bent and broke the rules at every possible occasion in order to win.
The other used superior skills, talent and athleticism to dominate almost every opponent they faced over 18 years.

Who is the greater fighter... The cheater or the virtuoso?

[p4pking]

I don't really give a shit, bickering over the legacies of people who werent in the same weight class and could never have been rivals is waste of time imo. This thread is basically proof of why. All that said though, I take Floyd!!!

It boils down to whether you prefer longevity over dominance(I certainly don't), how much credit you give a guy for taking fights as opposed to winning them(I actually think FLoyd has more quality wins, but Hopkins has really been through a hell of a gauntlet in the last ten years and has no doubt taken on tougher challenges in that time), and of course white prejudice

It's interesting to note that when Hopkins was Floyds age(which is old!!!) he had basically just emerged on the scene beating Tito. What he has done since then is freakish without question, but on the flip side I don't think Hopkins middleweight reign was THAT impressive as the big fights evaded him in those days regardless.

[Freedom]

When Floyd is Hopkins' age, he won't be fighting. He'll likely be living in a beach home in Mexico, surrounded by several young male prostitutes who resemble Justin Bieber.

[Rantcatrat]

One of them deliberately bent and broke the rules at every possible occasion in order to win.
The other used superior skills, talent and athleticism to dominate almost every opponent they faced over 18 years.

Who is the greater fighter... The cheater or the virtuoso?

Do you recall the Victor Oritz knockout by Mayweather? Hopkins is dirtier but Mayweather is far from clean.

[Beanflicker]

Hopkins and Mayweather are both dirty fighters.

[ruthless rocco]

One of them deliberately bent and broke the rules at every possible occasion in order to win.
The other used superior skills, talent and athleticism to dominate almost every opponent they faced over 18 years.

Who is the greater fighter... The cheater or the virtuoso?

Do you recall the Victor Oritz knockout by Mayweather? Hopkins is dirtier but Mayweather is far from clean.

That was a legit KO.
Ortiz deliberately fouled him, kissed him on the cheek, tapped gloves the ref told them to resume fighting.
Ortiz walked towards Floyd with his hands down.
Floyd KO'd him. Fair play. Not dirty.

[Rantcatrat]

One of them deliberately bent and broke the rules at every possible occasion in order to win.
The other used superior skills, talent and athleticism to dominate almost every opponent they faced over 18 years.

Who is the greater fighter... The cheater or the virtuoso?

Do you recall the Victor Oritz knockout by Mayweather? Hopkins is dirtier but Mayweather is far from clean.

That was a legit KO.
Ortiz deliberately fouled him, kissed him on the cheek, tapped gloves the ref told them to resume fighting.
Ortiz walked towards Floyd with his hands down.
Floyd KO'd him. Fair play. Not dirty.

Hahahahahah. I don't care if it was legal or not. It was the definition of a cheap shot.

Do you consider that a brilliant KO?

Watch it again: Ortiz is backing away with his gloves down and the ref isn't even looking at the fighters and not only does Floyd hit him once, he hits him twice.

Come on, man.

That wasn't a way to end a fight. It was utter crap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieJPRhlkVh4

[ruthless rocco]

Hahahahahah. I don't care if it was legal or not. It was the definition of a cheap shot.

Do you consider that a brilliant KO?

Watch it again: Ortiz is backing away with his gloves down and the ref isn't even looking at the fighters and not only does Floyd hit him once, he hits him twice.

Come on, man.

That wasn't a way to end a fight. It was utter crap.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieJPRhlkVh4

That's how you handle a bitch punk like Ortiz. He had tried to headbutt Floyd 3 different times over the course of the fight. That means all pleasantries are off. There's no cheap shot against a guy who deliberately fouls you in a attempt to injure you. Add to that the kiss on the cheek and the hugs Ortiz kept trying to give Floyd... I think it was the best ending possible. Ortiz just wanted out of the fight anyway. He's not a real fighter despite his natural talent.

Here's a video for you. Keith Kizer the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission explains how it was legal. He even mocks Ortiz. It begins at the 25 second mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPt9PodmaPQ

[Beanflicker]

Here's a video for you. Keith Kizer the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission explains how it was legal. He even mocks Ortiz. It begins at the 25 second mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPt9PodmaPQ

LOL@ Ortiz, "nobody lost tonight, I never lost in my mind" Hahaha, bro you got KTFO