Comparing Floyd and Bhop's opposition

[Beanflicker]

It's just silly that there are people who would even claim Bhop was the better fighter. It's just ridiculous

I understand people having boxers they love and hate, and I certainly understand people hating Floyd, but it's a shame so many people let their hatred ruin their good judgement.

[Silkeyjoe]

It's just silly that there are people who would even claim Bhop was the better fighter. It's just ridiculous

I understand people having boxers they love and hate, and I certainly understand people hating Floyd, but it's a shame so many people let their hatred ruin their good judgement.

Agree but in my opinion he has fought the better fighters. I dont think i can have Hopkins as an all time great. Terrific fighter and wins over Trinidad and Pavlik were the peaks of his career but not sure if that earns you an ATG spot. Floyd almost certainly will go down as an ATG

[Beanflicker]

I dont think i can have Hopkins as an all time great.

We're going to have to part company on that one, he spent about 10 years as the #1 middleweight in the world, was one of the most intelligent boxers to ever step in the ring, world class skills and had longevity and consistency like nobody else in the history of the sport.

If Bhop isn't an ATG on your list, I think your criteria is a little too selective.

[IamInuit]

Let me make this perfectly fucking clear. I dont hate Floyd. I dont hate Hopkins. My personal feelings for these two does not even enter the equation. If people want to say that Bernard is just as good a boxer so what. Criticizing them for saying so does not provide evidence to the contrary. Its simply a statement.

These child like responses that put all who disagree with Floyd robots as some kind of "hater" is both freakin hilarious, myopic and plain stupid. Its not dialogue its dogma.

Floyd took very little risks.
Hop took nothing but risks
Floyd fought guys that had no chance to beat him
Hop fought guys that could all beat him
Floyd never unified one division
Hop unified middle and double dipped 175 at close to 50
Floyd has never fought outside Vegas
Hop has fought all over the place
Floyd had a boyfriend ref in Cortez
Hop never had a ref in his pocket
Floyd has never jumped two weight classes to take on the man of a division
Hop has
Floyd has never dropped back down to fight a champion
Hop has
Floyds main reason for fighting at all is money
Hops main reason for fighting was/is legacy.
Floyd has coveted the 0
Hop has coveted his place in history.
Floyd has used the Arum excuse to avoid certain fights
Hop has never claimed a bridge burned as a reason not to fight.
Floyd thinks boxing is all about ppv
Hop thinks its all about the challenge

[El Kabong]

Steve Frank
Joe Lipsey
William Bo James
John David Jackson
Glenn Johnson
Andrew Council
Robert Allen
Robert Allen
Antwun Echols
Syd Vanderpool
Antwun Echols
Keith Holmes
Felix Trinidad
Carl Daniels
Morrade Hakkar
William Joppy
Robert Allen
Oscar De la Hoya
Howard Eastman

Those are the guys Hopkins defended his title against successfully and while there ARE some good names out there a lot of those names came from 154 and they were not "true middleweights" and that's where a lot of the criticism of Hopkins comes from. There were certainly threats to Hopkins at 168, but it isn't required that a fighter move up if he can run a division.

Floyd on the other hand has done the exact opposite he never stayed put in 1 division for long. He moved fight to fight and took on some interesting (and some not so interesting) fighters.


The crux of the argument is "What is ducking fighters" and "What is domination"? Is it moving division to division or is it staying put? Is it taking on the best of boxing in general or the best of your division? I personally think Floyd could have taken the Hopkins route but would have gotten bored with the monotony of the same stagnant division. I think BHop could have jumped division to division and had great success as well, but I believe he liked the consistency of middleweight and hell he had a formula that worked, give up about 4 rounds, warm up, and close the show with purpose (not typically a KO, but dominate at the end).

[Beanflicker]

The crux of the argument is "What is ducking fighters" and "What is domination"? Is it moving division to division or is it staying put? Is it taking on the best of boxing in general or the best of your division? I personally think Floyd could have taken the Hopkins route but would have gotten bored with the monotony of the same stagnant division. I think BHop could have jumped division to division and had great success as well, but I believe he liked the consistency of middleweight and hell he had a formula that worked, give up about 4 rounds, warm up, and close the show with purpose (not typically a KO, but dominate at the end).

It's a good question. I admire both. I admire Hopkins for his consistency and discipline to stay at the same weight, but I also admire guys like Floyd, Pac, SRR, Roy Jones, ect ect who transcended weight divisions and titles.

[IamInuit]

El the middleweight division stopped being the division it was when boxing went from 8 to 17 and no other middleweight after the expansion had any tougher era and all of them fought x welters.

It just kills me to no end that here we have a guy in Hopkins that is nothing short o a modern day Archie Moore and all people can do is belittle him. In fact its not just him. People spend their entire days on forums shitting on these guys. Every fighter Floyd has faced has been spat and shit on as guys with no chance and then when he's beaten them they become some incredible opponent.

[El Kabong]

El the middleweight division stopped being the division it was when boxing went from 8 to 17 and no other middleweight after the expansion had any tougher era and all of them fought x welters.

It just kills me to no end that here we have a guy in Hopkins that is nothing short o a modern day Archie Moore and all people can do is belittle him. In fact its not just him. People spend their entire days on forums shitting on these guys. Every fighter Floyd has faced has been spat and shit on as guys with no chance and then when he's beaten them they become some incredible opponent.

Absolutely agree man! Floyd has ALWAYS wanted things both ways Pre-fight:"This guy isn't in my league" Post fight: "That guy was a great boxer and I demolished him, praise me!" .....Floyd's lack of humility has indeed hurt how people view him. I think Floyd wanted to be the welterweight version of Ali, always bragging, adored, and despised, loved, and hated, cult of personality, etc.

Bernard Hopkins was very much a blue collar kind of champion. Sure he had his theater with his masks and all that mess, but at the end of the day he was a cagey fighter who defended his title time and time again like clockwork but got little praise and little media buzz for what he did. Maybe it's due to his style being more cagey than flashy, maybe it's because he's not a pretty guy, maybe it's because he's an ex-con, or maybe it's because other peers of Hopkins were stealing his spotlight ie RJJ & James Toney....Mayweather Jr. didn't have to deal with that all that much as he was never the PEER of Mosley or De la Hoya, but more the Next Generation Star. also Floyd comes from a boxing family, had amateur successes, and was groomed by HBO to be that "Next Big Thing" (no disrespect to Floyd because he has after all backed up everything he's said), Hopkins earned everything he ever achieved in the business.

[Rantcatrat]

Who faced the tougher opposition?

There's a good argument Hopkins did, but he also lost.

Who'd they miss? Who should Hopkins have faced and didn't? Same for Floyd.

I would argue Floyd's best wins are Corrales and De La Hoya. I think?

I'm less impressed by Floyd's recent opponents, considering his contemporaries faced tougher opposition. For example, Cotto faced Pacquiao, Margarito, Trout and Martinez, and at least Pacquiao was in his prime, and Mayweather didn't face any of them.

Hopkins' recent opponents, Calzaghe, Dawson, Pascal, and Kovalev are probably better than any of Floyd's in that time period, although, once again, Hopkins lost.

[Spicoli]

Why the fuck is preferring one over the other hating? Can anyone with a straight face and stable mind deny Mayweathers ability and skill? Personally I place Hopkins a notch above Mayweather when it comes to all time or 'great' based on opposition faced, career longevity and adaptability, style(s) and on a side note he did it all with no one setting the table for him and from the bottom up.

[Master]

The gap is not as big as I thought it would be as I thought Floyd was better as he has dominated more weight divisions that B Hop. However Hopkins opponents at the weight are more challenging.

[Beanflicker]

adaptability, style(s)

Please please please explain to me how Hopkins beats Floyd in adaptability?

[Beanflicker]

Let me make this perfectly fucking clear. I dont hate Floyd. I dont hate Hopkins. My personal feelings for these two does not even enter the equation. If people want to say that Bernard is just as good a boxer so what. Criticizing them for saying so does not provide evidence to the contrary. Its simply a statement.

These child like responses that put all who disagree with Floyd robots as some kind of "hater" is both freakin hilarious, myopic and plain stupid. Its not dialogue its dogma.

Floyd took very little risks.
Hop took nothing but risks
Floyd fought guys that had no chance to beat him
Hop fought guys that could all beat him
Floyd never unified one division
Hop unified middle and double dipped 175 at close to 50
Floyd has never fought outside Vegas
Hop has fought all over the place
Floyd had a boyfriend ref in Cortez
Hop never had a ref in his pocket
Floyd has never jumped two weight classes to take on the man of a division
Hop has
Floyd has never dropped back down to fight a champion
Hop has
Floyds main reason for fighting at all is money
Hops main reason for fighting was/is legacy.
Floyd has coveted the 0
Hop has coveted his place in history.
Floyd has used the Arum excuse to avoid certain fights
Hop has never claimed a bridge burned as a reason not to fight.
Floyd thinks boxing is all about ppv
Hop thinks its all about the challenge

Bro you can say you don't hate Floyd all you want, if you say it enough you might actually start believing it yourself, but you sound like a little kid. You're talking about Floyd taking very little risk, you're bringing up where they choose to fight (LOL), you're talking about corrupt refs, who fights for money and who fights for legacy (LOL)... it's some funny shit, dude. It's some hipster shit hahaha.

It reminds me of when you try to talk music with a hipster and he can't stop telling you how "pure" music was back in the day because you actually needed talent, maaaaaaaan, and nobody cared about the money maaaaaaaaan, it was just for the love of the music and they didn't use sex to sell records, MAAAAAAAAAAN. Hahahaha it's just brutal.

[Beanflicker]

It's some scorned lover shit haha. Personally I don't like either guy. Bhop has a boring personality and a boring fight style, Floyd is a woman-beating prick who deserves to be in jail.

It just so happens that both are geniuses and prodigies in boxing. I'd love to come here and say they both stink and are overrated but I can't, I'd just be lying.

[ruthless rocco]

let me make this perfectly fucking clear. I dont hate floyd. I dont hate hopkins. My personal feelings for these two does not even enter the equation. If people want to say that bernard is just as good a boxer so what. Criticizing them for saying so does not provide evidence to the contrary. Its simply a statement.

These child like responses that put all who disagree with floyd robots as some kind of "hater" is both freakin hilarious, myopic and plain stupid. Its not dialogue its dogma.

Floyd took very little risks.
Hop took nothing but risks
floyd fought guys that had no chance to beat him
hop fought guys that could all beat him
floyd never unified one division
hop unified middle and double dipped 175 at close to 50
floyd has never fought outside vegas
hop has fought all over the place
floyd had a boyfriend ref in cortez
hop never had a ref in his pocket
floyd has never jumped two weight classes to take on the man of a division
hop has
floyd has never dropped back down to fight a champion
hop has
floyds main reason for fighting at all is money
hops main reason for fighting was/is legacy.
Floyd has coveted the 0
hop has coveted his place in history.
Floyd has used the arum excuse to avoid certain fights
hop has never claimed a bridge burned as a reason not to fight.
Floyd thinks boxing is all about ppv
hop thinks its all about the challenge

hahahahaha!!!!!!