the end of the world

[brocktonblockbust]

If the universe is infinite, then anything you conceive of must exist eventually, since it is endless. If it is endless then you will eventually come across all things an infinite number of times. There will be an infinte number of Greenbeanz and an infinte number of Andre and an infinte number of Fenster. Then there will also be an infinte number of those people, for example, who live the exact same lives as they do, but with only one small variation in the sequence, for example on January 28, 2009, Andre had an omelette at 7:28 a.m., but in a parallel existence Andre had that very same omelette at 7:31 a.m. etc

If the universe is infinite, then anything you conceive of must exist eventually, since it is endless. If it is endless then you will eventually come across all things an infinite number of times.

(things) would/could be based on our comprehension of what a/that thing is.
Agree or disagree?
In our state of being: the thought process perceives things by definiton as a noun-person, place or... thing.

So our limited senses in our world couldn't determine every thing- in terms of how they exist. IMO.

There will be an infinte number of Greenbeanz and an infinte number of Andre and an infinte number of Fenster.

Would Fenster or Andre exist with the same dimensions? Hearing, seeing, touching, feeling are senses. How energy transmits and infiltrates matter seems infinite--in the scheme of determining that which is infinite.

So if Andre had an omelette at 7:28 a.m., but in a parallel existence (another) Andre had that very same omelette at 7:31 --we'd (also) have to reflect on what time is...would we not?

Time for me is the acknowlegement of concisousness on a moving celestial body. When that body (planet) moves toward a ball of gas (star/sun) we acknowldege it as light calling it day. When it moves away, we call it darkness (night).

My point is, the size of that moving celestial body(planet) and the magnetism and gravity from that particular ball of fire-would then determine how fast/slow of the movement. So it would seem an infinite number of possibilites of determining the (time) that would occur, let alone if the dimensions would exist that allows two Andre's to be able to eat, taste, touch, or feel. Those are senses within our dimensions. What may take what we call 5 minutes to eat on our moving celestial body(earth) may take 222years on another moving celestial body.


So could there technically ever be two Andres or Greenbeans with the same senses?

Sinse the universe is so infinite- the chances of finding An Andre or Greenbeen could exist, but with the same dimensions would seem minute. Moving at the same rate, and having the same perception, also seems minute...like a snowflake. If no two are exactly alike on this tiny ass pebble of a planet, then what are the chances of an exact CARBON copy of you or me? Not saying I know, but swimming into deep waters with you bro..

You have made so many stimulating points that I cannot decide which one to respond to. To me (I will only address your last point here) infinity trumps all things since by definition it is endless. It never stops. And IMO as minutely probable as it would be (as you rightly indicated) to be able to come across a 99.99999765% exact replica of Hitler (only differing, say, in how many times Hitler blinked on April 29, 1945) I feel that since the universe (and there's ANOTHER issue---are there multiple universes?) Goes on forever (that is ALSO questionablquestionable) then if so, we would simply have to be ( thru the probability of an infinitely occurring sequence) replicated or resurrected (without getting religious here) over and over again, in varying degrees of exactitude: @Andre. On one May 23rd, 1913 in Oslo, Andre says "how perfumey are the blossoms", while on another IDENTICAL MAY 23, 1913 Andre says "how perfume-like are the blossoms", etc.

[SugarBoxing]

If the universe is infinite, then anything you conceive of must exist eventually, since it is endless. If it is endless then you will eventually come across all things an infinite number of times. There will be an infinte number of Greenbeanz and an infinte number of Andre and an infinte number of Fenster. Then there will also be an infinte number of those people, for example, who live the exact same lives as they do, but with only one small variation in the sequence, for example on January 28, 2009, Andre had an omelette at 7:28 a.m., but in a parallel existence Andre had that very same omelette at 7:31 a.m. etc

If the universe is infinite, then anything you conceive of must exist eventually, since it is endless. If it is endless then you will eventually come across all things an infinite number of times.

(things) would/could be based on our comprehension of what a/that thing is.
Agree or disagree?
In our state of being: the thought process perceives things by definiton as a noun-person, place or... thing.

So our limited senses in our world couldn't determine every thing- in terms of how they exist. IMO.

There will be an infinte number of Greenbeanz and an infinte number of Andre and an infinte number of Fenster.

Would Fenster or Andre exist with the same dimensions? Hearing, seeing, touching, feeling are senses. How energy transmits and infiltrates matter seems infinite--in the scheme of determining that which is infinite.

So if Andre had an omelette at 7:28 a.m., but in a parallel existence (another) Andre had that very same omelette at 7:31 --we'd (also) have to reflect on what time is...would we not?

Time for me is the acknowlegement of concisousness on a moving celestial body. When that body (planet) moves toward a ball of gas (star/sun) we acknowldege it as light calling it day. When it moves away, we call it darkness (night).

My point is, the size of that moving celestial body(planet) and the magnetism and gravity from that particular ball of fire-would then determine how fast/slow of the movement. So it would seem an infinite number of possibilites of determining the (time) that would occur, let alone if the dimensions would exist that allows two Andre's to be able to eat, taste, touch, or feel. Those are senses within our dimensions. What may take what we call 5 minutes to eat on our moving celestial body(earth) may take 222years on another moving celestial body.


So could there technically ever be two Andres or Greenbeans with the same senses?

Sinse the universe is so infinite- the chances of finding An Andre or Greenbeen could exist, but with the same dimensions would seem minute. Moving at the same rate, and having the same perception, also seems minute...like a snowflake. If no two are exactly alike on this tiny ass pebble of a planet, then what are the chances of an exact CARBON copy of you or me? Not saying I know, but swimming into deep waters with you bro..

You have made so many stimulating points that I cannot decide which one to respond to. To me (I will only address your last point here) infinity trumps all things since by definition it is endless. It never stops. And IMO as minutely probable as it would be (as you rightly indicated) to be able to come across a 99.99999765% exact replica of Hitler (only differing, say, in how many times Hitler blinked on April 29, 1945) I feel that since the universe (and there's ANOTHER issue---are there multiple universes?) Goes on forever (that is ALSO questionablquestionable) then if so, we would simply have to be ( thru the probability of an infinitely occurring sequence) replicated or resurrected (without getting religious here) over and over again, in varying degrees of exactitude: @Andre. On one May 23rd, 1913 in Oslo, Andre says "how perfumey are the blossoms", while on another IDENTICAL MAY 23, 1913 Andre says "how perfume-like are the blossoms", etc.

Infinite is only the stupidity of pegans, at the end of the world,
you are going right into the wide krishna's asshole

[SlimTrae]

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infinity trumps all things since by definition it is endless.

There is a great documentary called Journey to the edge of the Universe-


It kinda shocked me to hear them say- The Hubble made it to the edge--where stars cease to exist.- space? or dark matter & dark energy?
Yet they acknowldge that the Hubble couldn't possibly go through the many billions of galaxies-just past them-

The narrator asks; which direction do we go? There are seemingly (infinite possibilites!) 25 trillion miles from earth would take us 150 thousand years in a space shuttle-to get to the (NEXT) solar sytsem beside our own!
past the milky way- 6 billion year journey to the next one {160 thousand light years from the milky way)
supernovas-hyper novas- black holes-

MY POINT:Can conciousness exist? Spirit? Does matter have the same properties? Does a supreme being create these? Can a supreme being (withstand that which we can't get to yet---black holes sucking up even light-
For LIGHT to us is energy- a living man can shock another one- but if one is in the casket-dead, then when that soul leaves, so, too does their energy.

That which we on earth call (the sustainer) the Greeks call it Theos and we English speakers render it as (GOD):

At this point into travelling via Hubble: we have found no life- does that mean it doesnt exist except us? or existance that goes beyond the physical- matter encasing energy (spirit) released from matter, free from form- as we know it. Dark Matter, Dark energy. does a God create it- or is God the result of IT?

And if so, why would a Supreme God send one son to one (planet)earth to take an ass whooping for the (sins) of those beings, & call it end times. when the hebrew word for sin- are many- the most often used actually means (to miss the mark). Seemingly nothing to do with the Greeks rendition of Sin; that act of doing evil.

Surely this bares witness to the point of the Hebrew rendering the afterlife as (Sheol) a grave- for the physical.
Not until the Greeks(1,000bc) do we get Hades (a hell for the doomed) Other times it is called Hinnom or gehenna -places on earth. And at another point Hades is the trajectory of the sun-

Ignorant Greeks thinking the earth was the center of the universe (with their GOD BIble) because their eyes watched the sun rise in the east and set in the west...so how does the sun get to the east? By travelling under the world...underworld and thus begins the story of the underworld. (Hades) then at another point Hades becomes a dude. then he is the dude who oversee the underworld (that which the sun travels to get to the other side.) Not until they went to school in Egypt did they learn the sun was the center--wow jehovah or Yahweh didn't know that?

What GOD makes up a book like this? So flawed in science. And only mentioned sun, moon and Stars and nothing about planets.

I feel that since the universe (and there's ANOTHER issue---are there multiple universes?) Goes on forever (that is ALSO questionablquestionable)

ALL DAY LONG! multi-verse. Could it be that when /if a supreme being gets to the edge of this universe..is there magnetistm that would reject our properties?
Kinda like when you have to magnets and one side attracts the other, but if you flip them around- then the two repel each other.

That was one way how I was taught of the possibilities of another universe. If we were to get to the edge of our own, our properties might repel, thus preventing us from getting there...in the form of not matter, but ENERGY.

Would that mean there is another GOd who rules in that universe?
Surely this isn't the meaning of the Bible's heavan for the Hebrews have no word to describe it, and the dude they rejected (Jesus aka Isa) said one thing about it his whole life; THE KINGDOM OF HEAVAN IS WITHIN..

FREE YOUR MIND...AND YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW -THE KINGDOM OF HEAVAN IS WITHIN.
"George Clinton" Make my funk the P-funk I wants to get funked Up.

[brocktonblockbust]

numbers are subjective. What is five-ness? What is one-ness? Maybe there are no quantities. MaYBE there are no numbers. Maybe there is one god or maybe there are multiple gods of no numbers. So we couldnt then say there is only one god or there are many gods---it would be beyond one and many, as they are the only two possibilities. Almost like oppposites, one and many. Singular or plural. But what if there is more than just singular and plural?

[Andre]

numbers are subjective. What is five-ness? What is one-ness? Maybe there are no quantities. MaYBE there are no numbers. Maybe there is one god or maybe there are multiple gods of no numbers. So we couldnt then say there is only one god or there are many gods---it would be beyond one and many, as they are the only two possibilities. Almost like oppposites, one and many. Singular or plural. But what if there is more than just singular and plural?

I think if the source of all things was called to task even from within to allow every possibility to occur and to evolve,good and evil for instance; it would do it away from its own core and in a dimension or within dimensions that were locked down maybe by their own gravity (thats much deeper than the first glimpse). If it is the case it would create a facsimile self or parts thereof so if it went wrong it would have zero effect on the source or reality in its purest form. It may then have compassion for the fools that went down into compressed matter to experience such horrors and such joys and send others with less gravity to show a way out.
That is way beyond singular and plurals; Material life followes the Golden mean or for human mathematical purposes the fibbriconni sequence right down to your dna.

[SlimTrae]

numbers are subjective.

True as opposed to objective. But then numbers are symbols which represent something. In this instance- language; The language of quantifying.

What is five-ness? What is one-ness? Maybe there are no quantities.

Quantities mean to me a means of measuring. We can measure in the physical ( sugar, salt and give it variables like pound, ounze.
We can measure thought (well the supreme ones can- they give us a canonical standard, called Bible, Mahabarata, Koran Diamond Sutra, and with these texts we measure our hearts in terms of positive (good) negative (evil) .
And if/when we gain knowledge of matter, dark matter, dark energy, it’s existence proves that it can be rationalized- for that which can comprehend. If matter exist and energy, then there is a means to compare and or quantify. Quantity simply is a means to meausure.


MaYBE there are no numbers.

Sure they are the symbols we use.
Even animals have the ability to understand quantity. Let a feline rear a litter, she can detect when one is missing. The fact that she doesn’t use a numerical system doesn’t mean she doesn’t understand quantity. She missing a kitten and her heart hurts until she can find it or move on..

Maybe there is one god or maybe there are multiple gods of no numbers. So we couldnt then say there is only one god or there are many gods---it would be beyond one and many, as they are the only two possibilities. Almost like oppposites, one and many. Singular or plural. But what if there is more than just singular and plural?

To say there are only (two) possibilites would be my arguement. How can you say two..unless you are quantifying?
?

Great stuff Brock, Dre!

For those who can't swim in the deep waters, go back to the kiddy pool!

[SlimTrae]

The beauty of numbers

1 x 8 + 1 = 9
12 x 8 + 2 = 98
123 x 8 + 3 = 987
1234 x 8 + 4 = 9876
12345 x 8 + 5 = 987 65
123456 x 8 + 6 = 987654
1234567 x 8 + 7 = 9876543
12345678 x 8 + 8 = 98765432
123456789 x 8 + 9 = 987654321

1 x 9 + 2 = 11
12 x 9 + 3 = 111
123 x 9 + 4 = 1111
1234 x 9 + 5 = 11111
12345 x 9 + 6 = 111111
123456 x 9 + 7 = 1111111
1234567 x 9 + 8 = 11111111
12345678 x 9 + 9 = 111111111
123456789 x 9 +10= 1111111111

9 x 9 + 7 = 88
98 x 9 + 6 = 888
987 x 9 + 5 = 8888
9876 x 9 + 4 = 88888
98765 x 9 + 3 = 888888
987654 x 9 + 2 = 8888888
9876543 x 9 + 1 = 88888888
98765432 x 9 + 0 = 888888888
Brilliant, isn’t it?

And look at this symmetry:
1 x 1 = 1
11 x 11 = 121
111 x 111 = 12321
1111 x 1111 = 1234321
11111 x 11111 = 123454321
111111 x 111111 = 12345654321
1111111 x 1111111 = 1234567654321
11111111 x 11111111 = 123456787654321
111111111 x 111111111 = 12345678987654321
Now, take a look at this…
101%
From a strictly mathematical viewpoint:
What Equals 100%?
What does it mean to give MORE than 100%?
Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%?
We have all been in situations where someone wants you to
GIVE OVER 100%.
How about ACHIEVING 101%?
What equals 100% in life?
Here’s a little mathematical formula that might help
Answer these questions:
If:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
Is represented as:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.
If:
H-A-R-D-W-O-R- K
8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%
And:
K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%
But:
A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%
THEN, look how far the love of God will take you:
L-O-V-E-O-F-G-O-D
12+15+22+5+15+6+7+15+4 = 101%

Therefore, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that:
While Hard Work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will
Get you there, It’s the Love of God that will put you over the top!

[Andre]

That is so cool .

[Andre]

numbers are subjective.

True as opposed to objective. But then numbers are symbols which represent something. In this instance- language; The language of quantifying.

What is five-ness? What is one-ness? Maybe there are no quantities.

Quantities mean to me a means of measuring. We can measure in the physical ( sugar, salt and give it variables like pound, ounze.
We can measure thought (well the supreme ones can- they give us a canonical standard, called Bible, Mahabarata, Koran Diamond Sutra, and with these texts we measure our hearts in terms of positive (good) negative (evil) .
And if/when we gain knowledge of matter, dark matter, dark energy, it’s existence proves that it can be rationalized- for that which can comprehend. If matter exist and energy, then there is a means to compare and or quantify. Quantity simply is a means to meausure.


MaYBE there are no numbers.

Sure they are the symbols we use.
Even animals have the ability to understand quantity. Let a feline rear a litter, she can detect when one is missing. The fact that she doesn’t use a numerical system doesn’t mean she doesn’t understand quantity. She missing a kitten and her heart hurts until she can find it or move on..

Maybe there is one god or maybe there are multiple gods of no numbers. So we couldnt then say there is only one god or there are many gods---it would be beyond one and many, as they are the only two possibilities. Almost like oppposites, one and many. Singular or plural. But what if there is more than just singular and plural?

To say there are only (two) possibilites would be my arguement. How can you say two..unless you are quantifying?
?

Great stuff Brock, Dre!

For those who can't swim in the deep waters, go back to the kiddy pool!

Wow now with that statement right there and the heading of this thread combined listen to this and watch the words.

Sorry its Tool again:

[Andre]

[/B]

infinity trumps all things since by definition it is endless.

There is a great documentary called Journey to the edge of the Universe-


It kinda shocked me to hear them say- The Hubble made it to the edge--where stars cease to exist.- space? or dark matter & dark energy?
Yet they acknowldge that the Hubble couldn't possibly go through the many billions of galaxies-just past them-

The narrator asks; which direction do we go? There are seemingly (infinite possibilites!) 25 trillion miles from earth would take us 150 thousand years in a space shuttle-to get to the (NEXT) solar sytsem beside our own!
past the milky way- 6 billion year journey to the next one {160 thousand light years from the milky way)
supernovas-hyper novas- black holes-

MY POINT:Can conciousness exist? Spirit? Does matter have the same properties? Does a supreme being create these? Can a supreme being (withstand that which we can't get to yet---black holes sucking up even light-
For LIGHT to us is energy- a living man can shock another one- but if one is in the casket-dead, then when that soul leaves, so, too does their energy.

That which we on earth call (the sustainer) the Greeks call it Theos and we English speakers render it as (GOD):

At this point into travelling via Hubble: we have found no life- does that mean it doesnt exist except us? or existance that goes beyond the physical- matter encasing energy (spirit) released from matter, free from form- as we know it. Dark Matter, Dark energy. does a God create it- or is God the result of IT?

And if so, why would a Supreme God send one son to one (planet)earth to take an ass whooping for the (sins) of those beings, & call it end times. when the hebrew word for sin- are many- the most often used actually means (to miss the mark). Seemingly nothing to do with the Greeks rendition of Sin; that act of doing evil.

Surely this bares witness to the point of the Hebrew rendering the afterlife as (Sheol) a grave- for the physical.
Not until the Greeks(1,000bc) do we get Hades (a hell for the doomed) Other times it is called Hinnom or gehenna -places on earth. And at another point Hades is the trajectory of the sun-

Ignorant Greeks thinking the earth was the center of the universe (with their GOD BIble) because their eyes watched the sun rise in the east and set in the west...so how does the sun get to the east? By travelling under the world...underworld and thus begins the story of the underworld. (Hades) then at another point Hades becomes a dude. then he is the dude who oversee the underworld (that which the sun travels to get to the other side.) Not until they went to school in Egypt did they learn the sun was the center--wow jehovah or Yahweh didn't know that?

What GOD makes up a book like this? So flawed in science. And only mentioned sun, moon and Stars and nothing about planets.

I feel that since the universe (and there's ANOTHER issue---are there multiple universes?) Goes on forever (that is ALSO questionablquestionable)

ALL DAY LONG! multi-verse. Could it be that when /if a supreme being gets to the edge of this universe..is there magnetistm that would reject our properties?
Kinda like when you have to magnets and one side attracts the other, but if you flip them around- then the two repel each other.

That was one way how I was taught of the possibilities of another universe. If we were to get to the edge of our own, our properties might repel, thus preventing us from getting there...in the form of not matter, but ENERGY.

Would that mean there is another GOd who rules in that universe?
Surely this isn't the meaning of the Bible's heavan for the Hebrews have no word to describe it, and the dude they rejected (Jesus aka Isa) said one thing about it his whole life; THE KINGDOM OF HEAVAN IS WITHIN..

FREE YOUR MIND...AND YOUR ASS WILL FOLLOW -THE KINGDOM OF HEAVAN IS WITHIN.
"George Clinton" Make my funk the P-funk I wants to get funked Up.

How true is that! the kingdom is within. Same as the other ancient term; ' as above so below'. Turns out everything is circular and spherical moving in cycles both within the micro and out in the macro (from our little material perspective anyway). Still we act from this little perspective like its all lineal and so fear an end,fear change and hold fast to that which cannot be grasped, which steals your moment of being in the now totally away from you.