Has Wlad whipped more undefeated fighters than anyone?

[El Kabong]

Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

Those guys didn't want to fight him.

[Beanflicker]

Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

Those guys didn't want to fight him.

Haye and Ibragimov bitched out for sure, but I think Wlad should have stepped on the gas and tried to get them out of there. It was his show and he stunk out the arena.

[Beanflicker]

Holmes has him tied.

Ray Mercer (18-0)

Carl Williams (16-0)

David Bey (14-0)

Marvis Frazier (10-0)

Scott Frank (20-0)

Tim Witherspoon (15-0)

Gerry Cooney (25-0)

Renaldo Snipes (22-0)

Leroy Jones (24-0)

Ossie Ocasio (13-0)

Kevin Isaac (2-0)


Wlad's opposition: 246-0 combined

Holmes' opposition: 179-0 combined


So I guess Wlad wins.

[El Kabong]

Holmes had an era where there were a lot of young guys who jumped at the chance of fighting The Champ and it was a great thing because nobody could complain about anything other than the fighters being a bit green but still the fights got made, there were rematches if deserved, and Holmes dominated.

Wlad has had a hard time finding opponents, it took years for the Haye fight to happen, years for the Povetkin fight to happen, years for unification of the WBO, IBF, and WBA belts. Some heavyweights have suffered losses in that time when they were close to getting a title shot, like Arreola and Solis for example.

[Mr140]

Eric i think you are pretty biased against Wlad since he beat Haye i know you said you mad mony off a bet but since that fight all you done bitch about holding. I mean you never said a word about holding till after that fight about Wlad use to say he was a great heavy that could beat the 60's as well dude.

[erics44]

Eric i think you are pretty biased against Wlad since he beat Haye i know you said you mad mony off a bet but since that fight all you done bitch about holding. I mean you never said a word about holding till after that fight about Wlad use to say he was a great heavy that could beat the 60's as well dude.

Fliipin nora, good memory about the bet, 25 euros on me mates stag do, I never really watched before tho, I started watching since and I thought fuk me this isn't boxing, how's he getting away with it, then it twigged

It will twig with you one day

[erics44]

Eric i think you are pretty biased against Wlad since he beat Haye i know you said you mad mony off a bet but since that fight all you done bitch about holding. I mean you never said a word about holding till after that fight about Wlad use to say he was a great heavy that could beat the 60's as well dude.

Fliipin nora, good memory about the bet, 25 euros on me mates stag do, I never really watched before tho, I started watching since and I thought fuk me this isn't boxing, how's he getting away with it, then it twigged

It will twig with you one day

Or was it 35, I can't remember

[Rantcatrat]

Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

Those guys didn't want to fight him.

Sure it takes two, Lyle, but Wlad's the champion, the heftier portion of the blame falls on him. Same with Floyd when he coasts to victory or knocks out Ortiz with a cheap shot. They're the million dollar shot callers.

[Beanflicker]

Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

Those guys didn't want to fight him.

Sure it takes two, Lyle, but Wlad's the champion, the heftier portion of the blame falls on him. Same with Floyd when he coasts to victory or knocks out Ortiz with a cheap shot. They're the million dollar shot callers.

I have to agree. Floyd is boring as fuck, but at least he has the undefeated streak and the cocky personality that draws people in. Wlad has none of that to intrigue people, and people watch the HW division to see action, and when the most eyes are on him he just doesn't provide action.

[Beanz]

Wlad has been dominant but he will always go down as someone who stunk out the joint when it REALLY mattered.

I still think if he put on a show vs Ibragimov in MSG when a lot of eyes were tuned in, he could have rekindled a lot of interest in the HW division in the States. Of course the fight was a complete abortion. Same with the Haye showdown.

Those guys didn't want to fight him.

Sure it takes two, Lyle, but Wlad's the champion, the heftier portion of the blame falls on him. Same with Floyd when he coasts to victory or knocks out Ortiz with a cheap shot. They're the million dollar shot callers.

I have to agree. Floyd is boring as fuck, but at least he has the undefeated streak and the cocky personality that draws people in. Wlad has none of that to intrigue people, and people watch the HW division to see action, and when the most eyes are on him he just doesn't provide action.

Who is intrigued by Floyds cocky personality or undefeated streak ? I am not a huge Wlad fan but in the majority of his fights he knocks people out or stops them. So your "he just doesn't provide action assertion" is baloney.

[Beanflicker]

Who is intrigued by Floyds cocky personality or undefeated streak ? I am not a huge Wlad fan but in the majority of his fights he knocks people out or stops them. So your "he just doesn't provide action assertion" is baloney.

Congrats on condensing more stupid into three sentences than anyone in the history of Saddoboxing.

Who's intrigued by Floyd's personality and undefeated streak? Must be somebody, he just made 32 million and did a million PPV buys fighting a second-rate guy who he had already beaten. Unless you want to claim that he's selling these PPVs with his exciting style??

And it's not the stoppages that make Wlad boring. It's the 8 to 11 rounds of jabbing, grabbing, and holding preceding the stoppage that make Wlad boring.

[Beanz]

Who is intrigued by Floyds cocky personality or undefeated streak ? I am not a huge Wlad fan but in the majority of his fights he knocks people out or stops them. So your "he just doesn't provide action assertion" is baloney.

Congrats on condensing more stupid into three sentences than anyone in the history of Saddoboxing.

Who's intrigued by Floyd's personality and undefeated streak? Must be somebody, he just made 32 million and did a million PPV buys fighting a second-rate guy who he had already beaten. Unless you want to claim that he's selling these PPVs with his exciting style??

And it's not the stoppages that make Wlad boring. It's the 8 to 11 rounds of jabbing, grabbing, and holding preceding the stoppage that make Wlad boring.

You can get as personal as you like and pile on the hyperbole but it does nothing to strengthen a flimsy argument. It's the kind of predictable nonsense you are prone to regurgitate and your subtext reads like an open book. Firstly jabbing, grabbing and holding are a huge part of Floyds fights but despite fighting little guys, recently he struggles to finish them with anything even approaching a full stop. Compare their last fights and then suck it up.

Secondly where are most of those buys? Amurrica the object of your Affection, where many wish to see him lose. Why? Not because they are intrigued by his personality but quite the opposite they are sick of the sport being represented by somebody without one. If you have to take photos of yourself with piles of money to make up for your lack of friends, soul or self esteem then in reality you are a huge loser. Sound familiar? :-P

[Beanflicker]

You can get as personal as you like and pile on the hyperbole but it does nothing to strengthen a flimsy argument. It's the kind of predictable nonsense you are prone to regurgitate and your subtext reads like an open book. Firstly jabbing, grabbing and holding are a huge part of Floyds fights but despite fighting little guys, recently he struggles to finish them with anything even approaching a full stop. Compare their last fights and then suck it up.

Secondly where are most of those buys? Amurrica the object of your Affection, where many wish to see him lose. Why? Not because they are intrigued by his personality but quite the opposite they are sick of the sport being represented by somebody without one. If you have to take photos of yourself with piles of money to make up for your lack of friends, soul or self esteem then in reality you are a huge loser. Sound familiar? :-P

I get personal with you because you're a dumb guy. I debate and go hard with guys here all the time but it's never personal, because it's mostly just opinion and conjecture, so it is what it is. You, on the other hand, have a long history of being unable to grasp simple concepts and arguing "points" that go against indisputable facts. And when you get called on it, you cry like a girl that people are getting "personal" with you. So what? Grow some balls.

Your entire post either bolstered my argument, or had nothing to do with it.

Intrigued: arouse the curiosity or interest of; fascinate.

Floyd's personality, I think it's safe to say, has aroused the interest of the general public. It doesn't mean they like him, it means they are interested in him. You say people tune in because they hate him and want to see him get his ass kicked... thanks for agreeing with me.

I don't know what Floyd being boring has to do with anything. Floyd is a boring fighter, I never said he was exciting. Wlad also usually fights in an ugly, boring fashion. Are you saying compared to Floyd he's exciting? I have no idea what you're trying to argue.