Comparing Floyd and Bhop's opposition

[mikeeod]

"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30th, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank Warren and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank Warren agreed on the spot, Don King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, double the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.

That's a more blatant duck than anything Floyd has been accused of.

How can Hopkins be accused of ducking a fighter he fought?? I've heard it all now. It isn't Floyd who causes hate, it's his delusional fans. Hopkins is called a ducker for fighting a guy, just not the first time he was offered the fight That is just stupid. Honestly, that is a really stupid statement. I'm embarrassed for you...

[Beanflicker]

How can Hopkins be accused of ducking a fighter he fought?? I've heard it all now. It isn't Floyd who causes hate, it's his delusional fans. Hopkins is called a ducker for fighting a guy, just not the first time he was offered the fight That is just stupid. Honestly, that is a really stupid statement. I'm embarrassed for you...

Calm down, dummy. You don't get embarrassed for me, I get embarrassed for you. You're not smart enough to be embarrassed for anyone on here other than Greenbeanz and Bill Paxton.

That was brought up in response to a claim that Hopkins took every tough fight offered and only cared about legacy. He ducked Calzaghe in the early 2000s, that's indisputable. Whether he fought him or not eventually is irrelevant.

[ruthless rocco]

How can Hopkins be accused of ducking a fighter he fought?? I've heard it all now. It isn't Floyd who causes hate, it's his delusional fans. Hopkins is called a ducker for fighting a guy, just not the first time he was offered the fight That is just stupid. Honestly, that is a really stupid statement. I'm embarrassed for you...

Calm down, dummy. You don't get embarrassed for me, I get embarrassed for you. You're not smart enough to be embarrassed for anyone on here other than Greenbeanz and Bill Paxton.

That was brought up in response to a claim that Hopkins took every tough fight offered and only cared about legacy. He ducked Calzaghe in the early 2000s, that's indisputable. Whether he fought him or not eventually is irrelevant.

Poor @mikeeod . He thinks he's really smart and can present some good points from time to time but his insecurities always betray him.

Buddy, you don't have to put everyone down at the end of your posts. It's kind of pathetic and shows you don't really believe your arguments are strong enough on their own.

[Master]

You can not blame Hopkins for not taking Joe at super middle. He use Joe as a negotiating tool to get Oscar which was a bigger money and easier fight.

[Beanflicker]

You can not blame Hopkins for not taking Joe at super middle. He use Joe as a negotiating tool to get Oscar which was a bigger money and easier fight.

There were at least 2 or 3 fights in between Joe's proposition and the DLH fight though. DLH was newly at 154 at that time, he hadn't even forayed up to MW.

For the record, I don't blame Hopkins for not jumping up to face Calzaghe, every champ in the history of boxing has done the same kind of thing. I'm just saying we should stop being naive children about it and pretending people only care about legacy and don't factor in risk/reward. It's just silly.

[powerpuncher]

You can not blame Hopkins for not taking Joe at super middle. He use Joe as a negotiating tool to get Oscar which was a bigger money and easier fight.

There were at least 2 or 3 fights in between Joe's proposition and the DLH fight though. DLH was newly at 154 at that time, he hadn't even forayed up to MW.

For the record, I don't blame Hopkins for not jumping up to face Calzaghe, every champ in the history of boxing has done the same kind of thing. I'm just saying we should stop being naive children about it and pretending people only care about legacy and don't factor in risk/reward. It's just silly.

No way. Bhop has never thought about the risk/reward for any fight. You take that back. He purely fights for legacy.

[mikeeod]

You can not blame Hopkins for not taking Joe at super middle. He use Joe as a negotiating tool to get Oscar which was a bigger money and easier fight.

There were at least 2 or 3 fights in between Joe's proposition and the DLH fight though. DLH was newly at 154 at that time, he hadn't even forayed up to MW.

For the record, I don't blame Hopkins for not jumping up to face Calzaghe, every champ in the history of boxing has done the same kind of thing. I'm just saying we should stop being naive children about it and pretending people only care about legacy and don't factor in risk/reward. It's just silly.

No way. Bhop has never thought about the risk/reward for any fight. You take that back. He purely fights for legacy.

Hop does fight for legacy. He just fought the guy at 175 that everyone else was running from. He fought him for like, $1M. That isn't a great payday for that kind of risk, especially when you consider Floyd gets over $20M for MAIDANA. Joe C., at that time, didn't do much for Hops legacy. Another super fight did. Hop was chasing Roy and Oscar at that point, and I can't remember ANYONE other than Joe pushing for that fight. Compare that demand for the overwhelming push from EVERYONE for Floyd to fight Manny.

[Master]

You can not blame Hopkins for not taking Joe at super middle. He use Joe as a negotiating tool to get Oscar which was a bigger money and easier fight.

There were at least 2 or 3 fights in between Joe's proposition and the DLH fight though. DLH was newly at 154 at that time, he hadn't even forayed up to MW.

For the record, I don't blame Hopkins for not jumping up to face Calzaghe, every champ in the history of boxing has done the same kind of thing. I'm just saying we should stop being naive children about it and pretending people only care about legacy and don't factor in risk/reward. It's just silly.

No way. Bhop has never thought about the risk/reward for any fight. You take that back. He purely fights for legacy.

Hopkins did want to become light heavyweight champion to secure his legacy by achieving something Ray Robinson could not do.

[mikeeod]

How can Hopkins be accused of ducking a fighter he fought?? I've heard it all now. It isn't Floyd who causes hate, it's his delusional fans. Hopkins is called a ducker for fighting a guy, just not the first time he was offered the fight That is just stupid. Honestly, that is a really stupid statement. I'm embarrassed for you...

Calm down, dummy. You don't get embarrassed for me, I get embarrassed for you. You're not smart enough to be embarrassed for anyone on here other than Greenbeanz and Bill Paxton.

That was brought up in response to a claim that Hopkins took every tough fight offered and only cared about legacy. He ducked Calzaghe in the early 2000s, that's indisputable. Whether he fought him or not eventually is irrelevant.

I didn't think it was possible, but I just became even more embarrassed for you. That response, when you are poopy pants like that, I really feel bad that I hurt your feelings and you made that response. I was too harsh on you.

[Beanflicker]

I didn't think it was possible, but I just became even more embarrassed for you. That response, when you are poopy pants like that, I really feel bad that I hurt your feelings and you made that response. I was too harsh on you.

Zzzzzzzzz.

Boring trolls get put on the "pay no mind" list. Congrats.