Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post

I don't sleight you for thinking that athletes by and large improve over time, not at all. I feel boxing is a lot different than most sports in that it isn't overwhelmingly about athleticism though. Michael Grant might be one of the biggest strongest modern athletes who ever set foot in the ring. He would have killed Lennox Lewis in a 100m dash, vertical leap, was probably stronger and faster in just about every way. He got the shit kicked out of him because he didn't know how to fight half as well and didn't have nearly the intangibles. I don't think Arreola exactly thrives in these departments either, and in fact hes not even that physically impressive. It really seems as though you champion him strictly because he is current, which is odd. If you think he would have actually stood any kind of chance against Mike Tyson I don't put any stock in the way anything looks to you The guy was in big trouble against Travis Walker, he lost to a light heavyweight Tomas Adamek, but I suppose those guys would have been undisputed HW champions as well if they came before 1985? Do you still think Arreola would have beaten LArry Holmes?
You wont put any stock in my opinion because I don't think Tyson could "run through" Arreola..

You do realise Tyson LOST occasionally and won by DECISION sometimes too right? We ARE talking about the same Tyson here? LEt's seperate myth from fact.

Mike Tyson was KNOCKED OUT by featherfist bum Buster Douglas!

Let's analyse Chris's losses...

Vitali Klitscko - WOW who DOESN'T lose to Vitali Klitschko! Arreola gave him his hardest fight since Lewis!
Tomasz Adamek- Excellent boxer with a solid chin. Just as good as Holyfield was really. And proven giant slayer!

Vitali fight was stopped late to save Chris punishment and Adamek was merely a decision loss, no canvas KO's.

And now Stiverne x2. Probably the hardest puncher in the division with a chin of cast iron, fast hands and sharp cunterpunching skills. Chris was winning the first until caught early with a hard shot but then fought through the rest of the fight bloodied and battered to survive. And in the 2nd was clearly winning until caught hard by a thunderous shot.

1 canvas KO now. Chris has an iron chin too, no chin can withstand that shit!

There is no question regarding the heart and the tenacity of this extremely dangerous boxer who nobody ever really runs through.

Also if you want to mention Travis Walker, then I would also mention James Quick Tillis whom was outboxing Mike right until the end until Mike saved himself. I think I'd rather be up against it with walker than with a bummy cruiser like Tillis!

So what about Mike now?

Look how Mikes performance drops against good+tall opponents (like Arreola)...

Mitch Green UD10
James Smith UD12
Tony Tucker UD12
Buster Douglas - Tyson gets KOed
LEnnox Lewis - Tyson gets KOed
KEvin McBride - Tyson gets KOed

Of the above opponents, Arreola would lay waste to all except Lennox Lewis!

Sorry but "mythical" Mike Tyson stops Arreola.

"ACTUAL" Mike Tyson is in for a tough fight vs him. You can claim Arreola failed everytime he stepped up. Maybe so. But then again, Mike failed against much lesser opponents than Arreola himself.

Remember I DO rate Tyson higher and tip him to win here, but thinking Tyson can run through an opponent of this calibre is ridiculous, considering he never actually DID!