Mike Tyson is TBE

[Master]

You are quite mad.

Adamek more ripped than George Foreman who was skinny.

You are making this stuff up right?

[Max Power]

http://cultureboxe.files.wordpress.c...06/mormeck.jpg

http://fightnews.com/Boxing/adamekklitschko4.jpg

http://www.georgeforeman.com/templat...bio_champ1.png

Everyone knows that Foreman is a "naturally" bigger heavyweight than either Mormeck and Adamek, 2-3 inches longer with much higher growth potential. I would judge (duh) that he had a bigger punch, but that's about it (Mormeck is actually known as a cruiser power puncher- had Mormeck been in the 70's, his power would have been rated as one of the hardest in the division as well!).

What's in question though is not potential size but ACTUAL. Focussing purely on Foreman 70's (Foreman 90's was body built and massively ballooned out, obviously far larger and a different fighter anyways).

Adamek looks leaner than Foreman to me with thicker core and torso muscles. Which should come as no surprise since Adamek even reached 223lbs on a shorter frame than Foreman. Foreman DID have bigger arms, that's given. Considering Foreman's 70's success relied upon very strong arm punches, that's not surprising either. To me, apart from that, Foreman holds some water weight, and is, for his height and about 220lbs, not exactly skinny (obviously) but also not built up around the torso/core as is often described when people generally think of Foreman.

The picture of Mormeck (which was labelled a "fat" and "tiny" bum) reveals a boxer who nobody can mistake as being more heavily built. Only a fraction lighter than George himself, yet MUCH leaner and on a shorter frame too.

And these are some of the smallest boxers you will ever see competing today.

I'm not trying to make an issue out of a "little" bit of weight, I'm pressing the issue out of a LOT of weight.

You cannot go on to claim that weight is not as important as I'm making out because, despite being a cruiser era mainly in the 60's/70's...

George Foreman outweighed 90% of his opponents!
Muhammad Ali outweighed 70% of his opponents!

Adamek and Mormeck at HW, despite being heavier or the same size were ALWAYS outweighed!

Testament to quality.

[Master]

Muscle definition and build does not dictate who is a puncher. Mormeck may have the muscle and Adamek the conditioning but neither were bigger punchers as heavyweight. Foreman had natural power.

[ruthless rocco]

Max Power / Max Stupidity

[jon09]

Great physical tools and sharp training methods but his biggest weakness was his brain.

[walrus]

Max Power / Max Stupidity

You neglected to mention Manny and peds in your post, are you alright.

[Master]

Max Power / Max Stupidity

You neglected to mention Manny and peds in your post, are you alright.

It is a Tyson thread that is why.

[walrus]

Max Power / Max Stupidity

You neglected to mention Manny and peds in your post, are you alright.

It is a Tyson thread that is why.

Oh, so now you stick up for my nemesis, well for now on I got Max Powers back.

[Max Power]

Muscle definition and build does not dictate who is a puncher. Mormeck may have the muscle and Adamek the conditioning but neither were bigger punchers as heavyweight. Foreman had natural power.

Did I claim that Adamek or Mormeck were bigger punches than Foreman?

I purposely left that one out for a reason my man.

What I will claim is that Adamek and Mormeck are FAR better boxers than the 70's Foreman, and maybe even the 90's ones!

Adamek and Mormeck could have performed comparably vs old George as Moorer did. Sure, Foreman knocked Moorer out but anybody who watched the fight seen that former light HW beat Foreman's brains out and it was mainly through Moorers stupidity that he got caught!

As for 70's Foreman, it would be customary for nostalgists to declare that Foreman batters them senselss without any analysis.

But featherfist plodder/hugger Ali, who could not see a punch coming if you wrote him a letter about it beat him.

But bummy cruiser featherfist Jimmy Young beat him.

These guys even wobbled and knocked Foreman out! (albeit via gassing but that's no excuse).

So please don't try to sell me that 70's Foreman would not be SERIOUSLY challenged by Adamek or Mormeck. 70's Foreman was JUST a puncher and could barely even box!