Marco Antonio Barrera. Best wins? Fact.

[Fenster]

I see what you did there @Fenster.


Excellent point

Passive aggressiveness aside though, I only asked Facster to tell me what he thought Hamed's single best win was, when Facster failed to chose one due to there being 'too many' (his words) to choose from did I cut him some slack and suggest 5.

5 is an arbitrary number, I only asked for one and I'm still waiting for it.

With Barrera it's an easy pick... Morales.
Not only was Morales a(nother) undefeated, two weight champion for Barrera to beat, he was able to follow up his first loss to MaB by reclaiming his belt and then winning and defending the WBC title in a third weight class, he then followed up his second loss to MaB by beating Manny Pacquaio and 6 years later even won a title in a 4th weight class, long after most would write him off.

Sure (like everybody else at the top) Morales dispatched of the likes of Kevin Kelly, but it's how Morales fought on and continued to achieve even after losing to MaB that put him on that next tier. It's not just wins, it's how defeat is followed.

The one thing Morales, Marquez, Barrera, Marquez and Pac have in common is that they all fought and beat at least one (not five, lol) person from that list, for me that's a criteria you need to meet before we even consider debating you the best of that era.

Beating guys a level below that, but in impressive fashion helps, but it's not enough alone. What if RJJ didn't have a W over Hopkins and Toney? Would he still be seen as a great middle-super middle by as many?

Hold up.

1. I answered the question about "Naz best win" the best way I could. I couldn't decide so tried to break it down fighter by fighter starting with Steve Robinson. You ignored discussing Robinson but then stated that

- you'd rather not discuss the ins and outs of Kevin Kelley's career if that's ok.

Naz never beat a legend in the mold of Pac or Morales so it's hard to pinpoint the best amongst all the world-class fighters he beat. How is that not reasonable?

2. Naz was the best featherweight of his time. Not the best fighter. Featherweight. If he wasn't then who was?

3. Morales is Barrera's best win. Agreed. Although Barrera himself doesn't think so.