What Era had the Most Talented HeavyWeights?

[Max Power]

Bottom line: the Klitschko's fought ALL comers, including black fighters. Take black fighters out of the mix and Wlad has ONE freak loss to Corrie Sanders (RIP) and Vitali is undefeated.

Yes, in fact you can take this further...

Wladimir Klitschko has fought in more countries than any HW except Ali.

Wladimir Klitschko has fought not only black boxers, but boxers of more nationalities than any other boxer.

He has faced the most diverse styles, shapes and sizes of any boxer.

And most importantly, he took on all good Southpaws as well which are the more difficult and dangerous opponents for orthodox fighters.

MAny champion boxers like Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis ducked all southpaws!

[Master]

Again I say this and please digest - Other than size the vast majority modern heavyweight fighters have poor skill and technique. This is why Wlad is so dominate and even then he struggles to finish his opponents because of his suspect chin.

Holmes and Tyson wipe out Wlad.

[Max Power]

Again I say this and please digest - Other than size the vast majority modern heavyweight fighters have poor skill and technique. This is why Wlad is so dominate and even then he struggles to finish his opponents because of his suspect chin.

Holmes and Tyson wipe out Wlad.

On the contrary, HW "defence" imo only became of utmost importance during the era of the superheavyweight.

The Klitschko's, Pulev, Thompson etc, utilise their height allied to their timing as there defence.

Shorter boxers like Stiverne, Haye etc are expert counter-punchers.

There are offence oriented boxers and tankers just as there are in every era too.

Nothing has been lost, everything has improved generally. Specifically, "DEFENSIVE" boxers today are more elusive than defensive boxers yesterday!

2 masters of escapology, Byrd and Chambers are unrivalled among HW's throughout time.

Technique? There are boxers with poorer technique as there are in all eras. The problem here is you compare average boxers today with guys like Holmes.

The correct comparison would be champ compared to champ, journeyman compared to journeyman etc. Then everything miraculously falls into place, today's boxers are much better!

I ain't gonna rip on Holmes too much because he was a great boxer but he isn't beating Wladimir, he would most likely be knocked out.

Tyson is a good question, he was certainly more skilled that most HW's of the Klitschko era and otherwise had other qualities to back himself up where he didn't. But again, Tyson IS a modern CHAMP.

What about the golden era...

Geroge Foreman- absolutely no defence or no technique, would be among the least skilled of all current HW's and most hittable.

Muhammad Ali- Total punch bag, almost WANTED to get hit, has also been described as having one of the most technically flawed styles ever. Basically won by out-staminizing his opponents (and being facially assisted).

Joe Frazier- Ate punches for breakfast, had no skills whatsoever, was partially BLIND, so he can be partially forgiven!

Sonny Liston- Highly uncoordinated, could not properly defend himself and was too slow to hit a modern boxer.

These were the CHAMPS of the past!

Wladimir is so dominant because he completely transformed boxing from a slug fest into a chess match. His opponents are some of the most dangerous competition of all time, and he dominates them because he is UNBELIEVABLY good. Helped out obviously because of his length, his weight and his conditioning.

As for his chin, WK has a strong chin! Obviously! Look at that head! He has the best HW record of all time against the hardest hitting opponents of all time and only 1ce in 66 fights ever been starched by anything that might be considered a chin check (which was a butt-fight anyway). And he has NEVER been cold canvassed KOed ever like say Lennox Lewis for example.

He has been knocked down multiple times (even in the fight he lost above) and got up to WIN, always finished a fight on his feet and taken some of the biggest bombs ever and shook them off.

He can be hurt, I never said he had an iron chin, but that's vs this era. You put that chin in any era pre80's and Wladimir Klitschko, has not only an iron chin.. But the strongest of ALL chins! That is a fact!

[Master]

Just because you write a lot does not make you right.

Defence was only utilised by the fighters 2000? Have you heard yourself. You embarrass yourself with every post you make.

Holmes knocked out by Wlad how? With the excessive holding? He was rocked by a jab by Pulev.

[Max Power]

Just because you write a lot does not make you right.

Defence was only utilised by the fighters 2000? Have you heard yourself. You embarrass yourself with every post you make.

Holmes knocked out by Wlad how? With the excessive holding? He was rocked by a jab by Pulev.

He was knocked back a bit by a Pulev jab.

Pulev, a 6'4" 240lb giant technical boxer with solid record, unbeaten and rich pedigree.

Gee that's bad!

You can only criticise Wladimir on a fight he dominated in against an opponent as good as which never existed in Holmes era (except maybe aforementioned Tyson).

Meanwhile Holmes was decisioned 2ce by an opponent who Wladimir would knock out with the first connected hard right hand or left hook. Gifted against Witherspoon who was no Pulev, wasted by Tyson, went balls to the wall with Norton who didn't even start to box until his 20's and got bloody knocked down by cruiser cruncher bum beater Shavers who'd never even land a punch on Klitschko let alone a damaging one.

I like Holmes but don't try to sell me he'd be a thrashing machine in the current era. The nature of his wins in his own era was sometimes not dominant and he never fought the kind of dangerous opponents that he'd have to now.

I only wrote a lot then because I tried to cover the relevant facts before you tried to find the flaws.

Of course boxers have defence prior to 2000. But the difference in boxing now to your times is evidently different. Look at the caution involved now by most fighters, instead of the dropped guard slug fests of yesteryear. It's clear it's today paramount. The Manswell Stiverne bout above is a nice little example.

You call it boring, and "fighting scared". I call it smart and I call it defensive minded. Harder punches, force higher defence. Because any fighter that doesn't have these qualities now in some form must either have an iron chin like none before, or they'd be knocked out well before we would even learn their name!

[Master]

Wlad was rocked to the soles of his feet. You know it. He is fragile as Amir Khan.

[Max Power]

Wlad was rocked to the soles of his feet. You know it. He is fragile as Amir Khan.

Far as I'm concerned that myth has been totally busted.

Again, LOOK at Pulev, he's massive with a technically great jab. OF course it's going to hurt. Did it gain anymore than disrupting Wlad's balance in any way? No!

So what the hell are you talking about!

[Beanz]

It was definitely a jab

[Beanflicker]

Wlad's chin is highly questionable, but his boxing skill for a HW is about as good as it gets, much better than Tunney. Tunney didn't have the movement, range or the selection of punches that Wlad did.

[Max Power]

Wlad's chin is highly questionable, but his boxing skill for a HW is about as good as it gets, much better than Tunney. Tunney didn't have the movement, range or the selection of punches that Wlad did.

I'm not claiming he has an iron chin here. If Wladimir gets hit hard, he gets hurt. When you face such big opponents, that's not too shameful.

But he can and has taken many very hard punches over his career and won as well.