Huge Benghazi bombshell -- Obama actually in trouble now

[Kirkland Laing]

Are you ready for eight years of Hillary to follow the eight years of Kenyan socialism?

I don't like Hillary at all, but even recusing my political beliefs from the argument I can't see how she'll A) Be the candidate and B ) win the general election for the following reasons.

1. Her name alone. Clinton. So you're telling the American people we'd willingly go H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, W. Bush, Obama, Hillary Clinton? And you figure we'd be ok with that? We don't do kings and we don't do royal families...not even Jeb Bush will win this election.

2. Again her age/health....is it sexist to bring those up? If that decisions was Hillary's to make she'd say yes in a heartbeat. That spill she took while getting on the airplane is going to stick with her as is her testimony on Benghazi...as will Benghazi in general, remember her 3 a.m. phone call ad? Yeah that's going to be used against her effectively.

3. Here's a question maybe you could answer on her behalf "What was her defining moment/best event/biggest deal as Secretary of State?"

1. Hillary is, as best we can tell, a woman. And so are roughly 50% of the American population. She may be the second Clinton running for prez but she's the first woman ever. And that fact overrides her surname. The surname is irrelevant anyway. It's only going to matter to people who are going to vote Republican anyway. It'll definitely be a talking point for the GOP during the election campaign....

2 ... as will her age and health and Benghazi which again are things which will only really matter to people who vote Republican. And they'll be all the GOP talk about (rmember Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth? Those fuckers selling that book you were on about the other day will be the 2016 SBVFTT for instance). The last thing the GOP want to do is talk about their actual policies so their entire campaign will be Benghazi, she's old, something she said in 1972, rehashed non-scandals from the 1990s, Bill Clinton's penis, the 2016 version of "you didn't build that".........

3. Again, something only GOP voters will find relevant. What was Romney's defining moment as governor of Mass.? Fucking Obamacare, that's what. How much coverage did that get in 2012? How much older was John McCain in 2008 than Hillary will be in 2016? How much coverage did his age get in the 2008 campaign? You need to stop looking at every single fucking thing through the prism of conservative media.

[El Kabong]

1. Hillary is, as best we can tell, a woman. And so are roughly 50% of the American population. She may be the second Clinton running for prez but she's the first woman ever. And that fact overrides her surname. The surname is irrelevant anyway. It's only going to matter to people who are going to vote Republican anyway. It'll definitely be a talking point for the GOP during the election campaign....

2 ... as will her age and health and Benghazi which again are things which will only really matter to people who vote Republican. And they'll be all the GOP talk about (rmember Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth? Those fuckers selling that book you were on about the other day will be the 2016 SBVFTT for instance). The last thing the GOP want to do is talk about their actual policies so their entire campaign will be Benghazi, she's old, something she said in 1972, rehashed non-scandals from the 1990s, Bill Clinton's penis, the 2016 version of "you didn't build that".........

3. Again, something only GOP voters will find relevant. What was Romney's defining moment as governor of Mass.? Fucking Obamacare, that's what. How much coverage did that get in 2012? How much older was John McCain in 2008 than Hillary will be in 2016? How much coverage did his age get in the 2008 campaign? You need to stop looking at every single fucking thing through the prism of conservative media.

Hey if you want to elect her, then vote for her. I won't and I know a large portion of the United States won't vote for her because they never liked her to begin with which is kind of why she didn't win the last time she ran.

[Kirkland Laing]

1. Hillary is, as best we can tell, a woman. And so are roughly 50% of the American population. She may be the second Clinton running for prez but she's the first woman ever. And that fact overrides her surname. The surname is irrelevant anyway. It's only going to matter to people who are going to vote Republican anyway. It'll definitely be a talking point for the GOP during the election campaign....

2 ... as will her age and health and Benghazi which again are things which will only really matter to people who vote Republican. And they'll be all the GOP talk about (rmember Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth? Those fuckers selling that book you were on about the other day will be the 2016 SBVFTT for instance). The last thing the GOP want to do is talk about their actual policies so their entire campaign will be Benghazi, she's old, something she said in 1972, rehashed non-scandals from the 1990s, Bill Clinton's penis, the 2016 version of "you didn't build that".........

3. Again, something only GOP voters will find relevant. What was Romney's defining moment as governor of Mass.? Fucking Obamacare, that's what. How much coverage did that get in 2012? How much older was John McCain in 2008 than Hillary will be in 2016? How much coverage did his age get in the 2008 campaign? You need to stop looking at every single fucking thing through the prism of conservative media.

Hey if you want to elect her, then vote for her. I won't and I know a large portion of the United States won't vote for her because they never liked her to begin with which is kind of why she didn't win the last time she ran.

A large portion of voters won't vote for either candidate because they can't stand them. That's the same in every single presidential election.

She hasn't run for president. She didn't win the Democratic primary. Provided she stays healthy she'll run again and she'll cruise the primary this time. And absent a recession or an economic meltdown she'll cruise to the White House too. No Republican can beat her if the economy stays OK.

[El Kabong]

when given the opportunity to vote for the "Established Candidate" or the "Newbie" the liberals always.....ALWAYS pick the newbie and that's why the Hildebeast wasn't nominated last time. But again you believe what makes you happy ok princess

Elizabeth Warren or perhaps a Castro Twin (Julian or Joaquin) will make a strong run....in the end who knows? If they are beaten out by an establishment candidate there WILL be civil unrest wherever they hold the convention a la Chicago '68.


The Republicans will be out of a heat of: Rand Paul (my pick although he won't win because he's too Libertarian), Chris Christie, Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz (2nd pick), Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Paul Ryan, Dr. Ben Carson would certainly factor big if he runs.

[Kirkland Laing]

when given the opportunity to vote for the "Established Candidate" or the "Newbie" the liberals always.....ALWAYS pick the newbie and that's why the Hildebeast wasn't nominated last time. But again you believe what makes you happy ok princess

Elizabeth Warren or perhaps a Castro Twin (Julian or Joaquin) will make a strong run....in the end who knows? If they are beaten out by an establishment candidate there WILL be civil unrest wherever they hold the convention a la Chicago '68.


The Republicans will be out of a heat of: Rand Paul (my pick although he won't win because he's too Libertarian), Chris Christie, Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz (2nd pick), Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Paul Ryan, Dr. Ben Carson would certainly factor big if he runs.

Hillary didn't get the 2008 nomination because she voted for the war in Iraq. Democratic primary voters were still furious about Iraq so voted for Obama. Now Hillary is the runaway favourite, has the full backing of the Democratic establishment and will walk the primary.

The GOP nimonee will either be Romney, Christie or Bush, who are the three GOP establishment guys. At a push if an outsider gets it it'll be Scott Walker. All the other guys in the 2016 GOP Klown Kar Kavalcade (Paul, Cruz etc) will be favourites at one point or another but the GOP establishment will pick a moderate and put all their money behind them. They're not going to back one of the looney tunes.

[Kirkland Laing]

when given the opportunity to vote for the "Established Candidate" or the "Newbie" the liberals always.....ALWAYS pick the newbie and that's why the Hildebeast wasn't nominated last time. But again you believe what makes you happy ok princess

Elizabeth Warren or perhaps a Castro Twin (Julian or Joaquin) will make a strong run....in the end who knows? If they are beaten out by an establishment candidate there WILL be civil unrest wherever they hold the convention a la Chicago '68.


The Republicans will be out of a heat of: Rand Paul (my pick although he won't win because he's too Libertarian), Chris Christie, Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz (2nd pick), Scott Walker, Rick Perry, Paul Ryan, Dr. Ben Carson would certainly factor big if he runs.

This is causing absolute fury with some of my Republican friends. How dare that bitch say those things about us! Wall Street would bury Hillary and any other candidate with money if Warren did decide to run for 2016. But being seen as the Wall Street candidate would be toxic for Hillary with Democratic voters.

If Warren does run it could get interesting.

[El Kabong]

If Warren does run it could get interesting.

Yeah then we could have our first Woman AND "Native American" in the White House. I figured you'd be hot on Fauxcahontas

[Kirkland Laing]

If Warren does run it could get interesting.

Yeah then we could have our first Woman AND "Native American" in the White House. I figured you'd be hot on Fauxcahontas

She wants to prevent huge taxpayer bailouts of the banks in future and also stop Wall Street apparatchiks running the Treasury and running it the way the banks want.

That seems to me to be exaclty what the Tea Party wanted back in 2008. I'm guessing 99% of Americans would agree with her.

I'd love to see somebody saying the things she does get elected prez. The problem is I don't think they could get elected prez saying those things and I don't believe Warren is actually sincere. I'd love to be finally wrong about something and see her run for office, beat Hillary and then win the election.

[pacfan]

If Warren does run it could get interesting.

I read about her voting GOP in her earlier days, then started voting for Democrats because as she explains it, 'they were wrong,' then, started voting for both. That's what I call political maturity. I've been advocating this for long time now, I mean people should not be stuck with any political party but instead, they should vote for whatever in their own independent mind that is right, regardless of political party affiliation or party ideals. Otherwise you'll become a pathetic political party slave and puppet and start to look like one as well. But don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing her as president. I hate endorsing politicians because most of the time, I'm stuck with two evils and have difficult time looking for a lesser one.

It's time for all of us to use our own mind and not let political parties run our minds. I didn't mean you though, Kirk, how dare does anyone tell that to you, you're the ol' Mr. Inffalible.

[walrus]

Are you ready for eight years of Hillary to follow the eight years of Kenyan socialism?

I don't like Hillary at all, but even recusing my political beliefs from the argument I can't see how she'll A) Be the candidate and B ) win the general election for the following reasons.

1. Her name alone. Clinton. So you're telling the American people we'd willingly go H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, W. Bush, Obama, Hillary Clinton? And you figure we'd be ok with that? We don't do kings and we don't do royal families...not even Jeb Bush will win this election.

2. Again her age/health....is it sexist to bring those up? If that decisions was Hillary's to make she'd say yes in a heartbeat. That spill she took while getting on the airplane is going to stick with her as is her testimony on Benghazi...as will Benghazi in general, remember her 3 a.m. phone call ad? Yeah that's going to be used against her effectively.

3. Here's a question maybe you could answer on her behalf "What was her defining moment/best event/biggest deal as Secretary of State?"

1. Hillary is, as best we can tell, a woman. And so are roughly 50% of the American population. She may be the second Clinton running for prez but she's the first woman ever. And that fact overrides her surname. The surname is irrelevant anyway. It's only going to matter to people who are going to vote Republican anyway. It'll definitely be a talking point for the GOP during the election campaign....

2 ... as will her age and health and Benghazi which again are things which will only really matter to people who vote Republican. And they'll be all the GOP talk about (rmember Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth? Those fuckers selling that book you were on about the other day will be the 2016 SBVFTT for instance). The last thing the GOP want to do is talk about their actual policies so their entire campaign will be Benghazi, she's old, something she said in 1972, rehashed non-scandals from the 1990s, Bill Clinton's penis, the 2016 version of "you didn't build that".........

3. Again, something only GOP voters will find relevant. What was Romney's defining moment as governor of Mass.? Fucking Obamacare, that's what. How much coverage did that get in 2012? How much older was John McCain in 2008 than Hillary will be in 2016? How much coverage did his age get in the 2008 campaign? You need to stop looking at every single fucking thing through the prism of conservative media.

Actually, since 1872 the US has had roughly 36 women run for president.

[Kirkland Laing]

Are you ready for eight years of Hillary to follow the eight years of Kenyan socialism?

I don't like Hillary at all, but even recusing my political beliefs from the argument I can't see how she'll A) Be the candidate and B ) win the general election for the following reasons.

1. Her name alone. Clinton. So you're telling the American people we'd willingly go H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, W. Bush, Obama, Hillary Clinton? And you figure we'd be ok with that? We don't do kings and we don't do royal families...not even Jeb Bush will win this election.

2. Again her age/health....is it sexist to bring those up? If that decisions was Hillary's to make she'd say yes in a heartbeat. That spill she took while getting on the airplane is going to stick with her as is her testimony on Benghazi...as will Benghazi in general, remember her 3 a.m. phone call ad? Yeah that's going to be used against her effectively.

3. Here's a question maybe you could answer on her behalf "What was her defining moment/best event/biggest deal as Secretary of State?"

1. Hillary is, as best we can tell, a woman. And so are roughly 50% of the American population. She may be the second Clinton running for prez but she's the first woman ever. And that fact overrides her surname. The surname is irrelevant anyway. It's only going to matter to people who are going to vote Republican anyway. It'll definitely be a talking point for the GOP during the election campaign....

2 ... as will her age and health and Benghazi which again are things which will only really matter to people who vote Republican. And they'll be all the GOP talk about (rmember Swift Boat Veterans for the Truth? Those fuckers selling that book you were on about the other day will be the 2016 SBVFTT for instance). The last thing the GOP want to do is talk about their actual policies so their entire campaign will be Benghazi, she's old, something she said in 1972, rehashed non-scandals from the 1990s, Bill Clinton's penis, the 2016 version of "you didn't build that".........

3. Again, something only GOP voters will find relevant. What was Romney's defining moment as governor of Mass.? Fucking Obamacare, that's what. How much coverage did that get in 2012? How much older was John McCain in 2008 than Hillary will be in 2016? How much coverage did his age get in the 2008 campaign? You need to stop looking at every single fucking thing through the prism of conservative media.

Actually, since 1872 the US has had roughly 36 women run for president.

OK, the first woman running for one of the two main parties/a party with a chance of winning.