How to get maximum tension on your hips before you punch?

[BCBUD]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is moere or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

The point is to give full range of motion while maintaining strength. Good stretching will develop that. If range of motion is limited, especially in the hip joint or ankles, then it's physically impossible to punch or move well without forcing it and causing injury. You can add resistance to the stretching too. Of course stretching on its own won't cause huge gains in strength, that's what a good lifting program is for.

The original argument was you saying flexibility can't be improved, which is absolute bullshit. You sound like someone who just read about this topic last week and is claiming to be an expert on it. And not a single person is saying stretching makes you strong, is reading comprehension not required to be an honor roll student where you're from?

Meh! The tendons have very little tension to stretching beyond a 4% stretch after that they can tear or worse yet!!! lengthen beyond their ability to recoil also by the time your an adult your tissues have lost 15% of their moisture content making it less supple and prone to injury. My coach won't risk it by having me do stretches because he says that there isn't one published study that says it prevents injury and to the contrary muscles lose there flexibility when over stretched like a rubber band. He is a national boxing coach. Lastly a good boxer should have flexibility so why the need to improve it? I'd think that one would strong muscles to flexible.

[Scrap]

Simply because of your eyesight, and dominant side, alters structure, and tracking.

[jms]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is moere or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

The point is to give full range of motion while maintaining strength. Good stretching will develop that. If range of motion is limited, especially in the hip joint or ankles, then it's physically impossible to punch or move well without forcing it and causing injury. You can add resistance to the stretching too. Of course stretching on its own won't cause huge gains in strength, that's what a good lifting program is for.

The original argument was you saying flexibility can't be improved, which is absolute bullshit. You sound like someone who just read about this topic last week and is claiming to be an expert on it. And not a single person is saying stretching makes you strong, is reading comprehension not required to be an honor roll student where you're from?

Meh! The tendons have very little tension to stretching beyond a 4% stretch after that they can tear or worse yet!!! lengthen beyond their ability to recoil also by the time your an adult your tissues have lost 15% of their moisture content making it less supple and prone to injury. My coach won't risk it by having me do stretches because he says that there isn't one published study that says it prevents injury and to the contrary muscles lose there flexibility when over stretched like a rubber band. He is a national boxing coach. Lastly a good boxer should have flexibility so why the need to improve it? I'd think that one would strong muscles to flexible.

You aren't stretching tendons, you're stretching muscles. We aren't talking stretching to prevent injury, we're talking stretching to improve range of motion when it's lacking which enables proper technique. It's not just stretching though, it's mobility work in general.

If you already have full range of motion then great, you don't necessarily need to stretch but you still should do work to improve strength and do it along that full range of motion. Plenty of people have flexibility but lack mobility due to either muscle weaknesses/imbalances or a lack of coordination.

For the record it's very rare for someone to show up to a boxing gym with great mobility in the ankles and hips. Legs are often turned in or out, glutes are often weak (especially glute med), there tends to be very little strength or endurance under hip flexion, especially when rotational components are added, etc. I've heard from several coaches over the past few years that something like 90% of people who step in a gym have problems with their body that have to be fixed before they can ever get their technique right.

[BCBUD]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is moere or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

The point is to give full range of motion while maintaining strength. Good stretching will develop that. If range of motion is limited, especially in the hip joint or ankles, then it's physically impossible to punch or move well without forcing it and causing injury. You can add resistance to the stretching too. Of course stretching on its own won't cause huge gains in strength, that's what a good lifting program is for.

The original argument was you saying flexibility can't be improved, which is absolute bullshit. You sound like someone who just read about this topic last week and is claiming to be an expert on it. And not a single person is saying stretching makes you strong, is reading comprehension not required to be an honor roll student where you're from?

Meh! The tendons have very little tension to stretching beyond a 4% stretch after that they can tear or worse yet!!! lengthen beyond their ability to recoil also by the time your an adult your tissues have lost 15% of their moisture content making it less supple and prone to injury. My coach won't risk it by having me do stretches because he says that there isn't one published study that says it prevents injury and to the contrary muscles lose there flexibility when over stretched like a rubber band. He is a national boxing coach. Lastly a good boxer should have flexibility so why the need to improve it? I'd think that one would strong muscles to flexible.

You aren't stretching tendons, you're stretching muscles. We aren't talking stretching to prevent injury, we're talking stretching to improve range of motion when it's lacking which enables proper technique. It's not just stretching though, it's mobility work in general.

If you already have full range of motion then great, you don't necessarily need to stretch but you still should do work to improve strength and do it along that full range of motion. Plenty of people have flexibility but lack mobility due to either muscle weaknesses/imbalances or a lack of coordination.

For the record it's very rare for someone to show up to a boxing gym with great mobility in the ankles and hips. Legs are often turned in or out, glutes are often weak (especially glute med), there tends to be very little strength or endurance under hip flexion, especially when rotational components are added, etc. I've heard from several coaches over the past few years that something like 90% of people who step in a gym have problems with their body that have to be fixed before they can ever get their technique right.

Tell you what I'll take this thread to the national coach and have him read it. This will give us an inside view to the top coaches and how they think. I'll post the response tomorrow.

[jms]

Lots of stretching, and good technique.

How will good technique help with rotation?

That is moere or less the basis of sound punching technique.

Meh!rotation and flexibility is something that your born with there is very little evidence that it can be improved.

Punching technique can be learned; I have taught it.

Sounds like moogley poogley hoogley! Why because muscle has lost then connection to the cns when stretched beyond its normal range of motion. Punchers are born not made.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been working once or twice a week with a friend who's a wrestler. Not the explosive kind, the lanky awkward kind who scores on snap downs and go behinds. Just Tuesday night he dropped one guy with a body shot, another with a left hook and nearly floored somebody with his jab. When we first started I could catch his punches barehanded, now it doesn't feel good through the mitts. A second wrestler (the kind with huge muscles, who's supposed to be too slow) who I've been working with but less frequently also scored a knockdown with a body shot.

Keep in mind both had flexibility issues. One couldn't turn his legs in without leaning, the other couldn't keep them apart.

And I'm not even a damn coach. I'm a baby in this game compared to scrap and grey, but 2 days a week max is enough for me to teach these guys respectable punching power. Neither of them is a natural, both were extremely stiff and uncomfortable. Hell to some extent they still are.

Now of course some guys do have that natural power, and they'll hit like a truck on accident. Doesn't mean you can't teach everyone else to at least hit hard, even if you can't put dynamite in their fists.

Science doesn't agree with you since its the muscle fibre that generates mass and velocity.
BBC Science & Nature - Human Body and Mind - Muscles Layer

Where in that article does it even say anything about flexibility?

Besides it doesn't even matter. You can post random internet sources all day. If you walked up to any half-decent strength and conditioning coach or physical therapist and told them flexibility can't be improved you'd be laughed out of the room. It's an opinion that can't even be taken seriously. You have to be trolling.

Woooow! Hey guys I'm not trying to be defensive first off I have great trainers! Which includes a brand new strength training coach. I am not a fighter with 0-8 tomato can record, too add to all that I have a coach that trained Lennox Lewis a National Level coach and when I go on about twisting my limbs to get strong they look at me funny and say that's called stretching not resistance (heavy) training. You'd be wrong to think that I'm stupid since I come from good genes my one of my parents is a physician the other an academic had my grades fallen below the honor roll I wouldn't even be boxing. Again I'm not posting anything my question is the following how does stretching fully to the normal range activate type 2 muscle fibre. Kindly answer that question. Please!

The point is to give full range of motion while maintaining strength. Good stretching will develop that. If range of motion is limited, especially in the hip joint or ankles, then it's physically impossible to punch or move well without forcing it and causing injury. You can add resistance to the stretching too. Of course stretching on its own won't cause huge gains in strength, that's what a good lifting program is for.

The original argument was you saying flexibility can't be improved, which is absolute bullshit. You sound like someone who just read about this topic last week and is claiming to be an expert on it. And not a single person is saying stretching makes you strong, is reading comprehension not required to be an honor roll student where you're from?

Meh! The tendons have very little tension to stretching beyond a 4% stretch after that they can tear or worse yet!!! lengthen beyond their ability to recoil also by the time your an adult your tissues have lost 15% of their moisture content making it less supple and prone to injury. My coach won't risk it by having me do stretches because he says that there isn't one published study that says it prevents injury and to the contrary muscles lose there flexibility when over stretched like a rubber band. He is a national boxing coach. Lastly a good boxer should have flexibility so why the need to improve it? I'd think that one would strong muscles to flexible.

You aren't stretching tendons, you're stretching muscles. We aren't talking stretching to prevent injury, we're talking stretching to improve range of motion when it's lacking which enables proper technique. It's not just stretching though, it's mobility work in general.

If you already have full range of motion then great, you don't necessarily need to stretch but you still should do work to improve strength and do it along that full range of motion. Plenty of people have flexibility but lack mobility due to either muscle weaknesses/imbalances or a lack of coordination.

For the record it's very rare for someone to show up to a boxing gym with great mobility in the ankles and hips. Legs are often turned in or out, glutes are often weak (especially glute med), there tends to be very little strength or endurance under hip flexion, especially when rotational components are added, etc. I've heard from several coaches over the past few years that something like 90% of people who step in a gym have problems with their body that have to be fixed before they can ever get their technique right.

Tell you what I'll take this thread to the national coach and have him read it. This will give us an inside view to the top coaches and how they think. I'll post the response tomorrow.

Cool, I'm sure he'll clear some things up. Because honestly at this point I don't even know what you're trying to argue, and I'm not sure you do either.

[BCBUD]

First we don't start with stretches that's what skipping is for.stretching comes after boxing and our work outs that being said there is no set routine for stretching. As for the ankle thing we push off not twist off! In your stance shoulders over hips now push off your front foot and snap out the jab do the same with the hook. You don't have time to twist your ankle since we do 3 for 1, get your 3 punches off snap snap. Remember it's about a fast jab with your hands up and you coming forward. my trainer's reaction after hearing me read off jms and Wayne flints was with a smirk, English isn't his first language so we conversed in his native tongue. This is what he said after you finish working out walk it out, touch your toes a few a times do what you got to do! and there's your flexibility.

[jms]

First we don't start with stretches that's what skipping is for.stretching comes after boxing and our work outs that being said there is no set routine for stretching. As for the ankle thing we push off not twist off! In your stance shoulders over hips now push off your front foot and snap out the jab do the same with the hook. You don't have time to twist your ankle since we do 3 for 1, get your 3 punches off snap snap. Remember it's about a fast jab with your hands up and you coming forward. my trainer's reaction after hearing me read off jms and Wayne flints was with a smirk, English isn't his first language so we conversed in his native tongue. This is what he said after you finish working out walk it out, touch your toes a few a times do what you got to do! and there's your flexibility.

And that right there is why so many pro trainers think the amateur system is ruining the sport!

[Scrap]

First we don't start with stretches that's what skipping is for.stretching comes after boxing and our work outs that being said there is no set routine for stretching. As for the ankle thing we push off not twist off! In your stance shoulders over hips now push off your front foot and snap out the jab do the same with the hook. You don't have time to twist your ankle since we do 3 for 1, get your 3 punches off snap snap. Remember it's about a fast jab with your hands up and you coming forward. my trainer's reaction after hearing me read off jms and Wayne flints was with a smirk, English isn't his first language so we conversed in his native tongue. This is what he said after you finish working out walk it out, touch your toes a few a times do what you got to do! and there's your flexibility.

Be interesting to know, Hie opinion on what causes 95% of injuries.

[WayneFlint]

Who is your trainer? How many Titlists has he trained? Your trainer can think he knows what he wants but if he wasnt an idiot he would understand how important a balanced musculature system and sound posture is in terms of strength and mobility. Your just arguing with a textbook on that one lol, keep smirking, im laughin my ass off here.

When Scrap sorted my hips i could squat 160kg for reps at 12st 8lbs without having touched a weight for years. I had done weights in the past for a few year consistantly and never squatted anything near that even though i was carrying quite a considerable amount more muscle back then. Power or more importantly RFD is directly linked to maximal strength. We spent a hell of a lot of time stretching.

There are other ways to develop power and strength but they will leave you tight eventually and in need of guess what? Lol

[AdamGB]

This is what he said after you finish working out walk it out, touch your toes a few a times do what you got to do! and there's your flexibility.

Pathetic. Please tell me you're trolling.

[WayneFlint]

Jms some good posts by you, im starting to think this guy is trolling, btw BCBUD Scrap has a record thatll stand up to any national coach, go on BC whats "coach" called eh? Nobody trains you man you dont even box.

Videos needed to prove BC isnt OMG and just a troll. Post a vid up of you and coach on the mitts BCBUD

[jms]

I'd be shocked if he posted anything of the sort. At this point he has to be trolling. I guess OMGWTF starts the threads then BC trolls them.