Max powerism 101:

[Max Power]

Do you really think that Bermane Stiverne and David Haye could not match Tyson and Holyfield?

HAhahaHAHAHahaHaHHAhah!!!!

How stupid are you!?

His sole criteria for choosing those four fighters was that none of them are American.
Frankly I'm surprised he could bring himself to choose two black fighters, because by doing so he's going against his whole racial profiling angle...but I guess he's okay with it since neither one is African American.

Stiverne is native Central American and Canada is in the American continent. And Stiverne and Haye are black.

This should serve obviously as a proof that I don't CARE if a fighter is black or white. And I don't CARE if a fighter is American, Russian, or even fucking Chinese! I also don't care if the fighter is heavy or light, tall or short, lean or fat!

And more than anything I DEFINITELY don't care if the boxer is hyped or not or if they are FAMOUS or not in America!

I only care about their ACTUAL QUALITY as boxers!

Jennings, Perez, Wilder and Thompson are top quality boxers by my own admission and are black and American. "I" support them BETTER than YOU even do and they're from your own race and country!

Who is the nationalist? Who is the racist?

[ruthless rocco]

Do you really think that Bermane Stiverne and David Haye could not match Tyson and Holyfield?

HAhahaHAHAHahaHaHHAhah!!!!

How stupid are you!?

His sole criteria for choosing those four fighters was that none of them are American.
Frankly I'm surprised he could bring himself to choose two black fighters, because by doing so he's going against his whole racial profiling angle...but I guess he's okay with it since neither one is African American.

Stiverne is native Central American and Canada is in the American continent. And Stiverne and Haye are black.

This should serve obviously as a proof that I don't CARE if a fighter is black or white. And I don't CARE if a fighter is American, Russian, or even fucking Chinese! I also don't care if the fighter is heavy or light, tall or short, lean or fat!

And more than anything I DEFINITELY don't care if the boxer is hyped or not or if they are FAMOUS or not in America!

I only care about their ACTUAL QUALITY as boxers!

Jennings, Perez, Wilder and Thompson are top quality boxers by my own admission and are black and American. "I" support them BETTER than YOU even do and they're from your own race and country!

Who is the nationalist? Who is the racist?

You really are that dumb huh?

My whole point was that you chose them because they AREN'T American, then you go on to tell me how they aren't American.

So so stupid...

Also, last time I checked (a minute ago) I wasn't either black or American you idiotic fucktard!

No wonder your baby's momma doesn't want to bang you anymore. It's amazing you got her to in the first place.

[walrus]

I haven't seen battles like this since me and Miles were enemies.

[Andre]

I haven't seen battles like this since me and Miles were enemies.

Im amazed anyone cares what other people think.

[walrus]

I haven't seen battles like this since me and Miles were enemies.

Im amazed anyone cares what other people think.

Agreed @Andre, we are talking boxing here. If we had the same opinions it would be boring. People are reacting like this is a denilson200 thread

[Andre]

Yeah I know.
Once it all gets beyond ridiculous I just have to poop in my hand and throw it at the first thing I see.
Heavyweight scene threads.

[Max Power]

Do you really think that Bermane Stiverne and David Haye could not match Tyson and Holyfield?

HAhahaHAHAHahaHaHHAhah!!!!

How stupid are you!?

His sole criteria for choosing those four fighters was that none of them are American.
Frankly I'm surprised he could bring himself to choose two black fighters, because by doing so he's going against his whole racial profiling angle...but I guess he's okay with it since neither one is African American.

Stiverne is native Central American and Canada is in the American continent. And Stiverne and Haye are black.

This should serve obviously as a proof that I don't CARE if a fighter is black or white. And I don't CARE if a fighter is American, Russian, or even fucking Chinese! I also don't care if the fighter is heavy or light, tall or short, lean or fat!

And more than anything I DEFINITELY don't care if the boxer is hyped or not or if they are FAMOUS or not in America!

I only care about their ACTUAL QUALITY as boxers!

Jennings, Perez, Wilder and Thompson are top quality boxers by my own admission and are black and American. "I" support them BETTER than YOU even do and they're from your own race and country!

Who is the nationalist? Who is the racist?

You really are that dumb huh?

My whole point was that you chose them because they AREN'T American, then you go on to tell me how they aren't American.

So so stupid...

Also, last time I checked (a minute ago) I wasn't either black or American you idiotic fucktard!

No wonder your baby's momma doesn't want to bang you anymore. It's amazing you got her to in the first place.

Actually I can tell you immediately right now that I chose those boxers immediately off the top of my head and you cannot disprove otherwise.

But we don't have to argue about this...

We can have it your way and allow me to select an American boxer...

What about Deontay Wilder.

I know. Wilder. The most famous bum beater since Butterbean and Sonny Liston.

Can you honestly be SURE that Iron Mike, Big Daddy, The Real Deal or The Lion can DEFINITELY expose Wilder?

You know I believe there are great chances any of them would.

But I also know that that kind of assessment is anything BUT assured. Because none of them faced such a unique kind of opponent as Wilder. And they were all pasted by lesser boxers than Wilder at some stage!

[ruthless rocco]

@Max Power, you know so much about heavyweight boxing, I can't believe people even try to convince you otherwise.

You're Saddo's greatest poster of all time. Thanks for being here!

[walrus]

Sorry to get off topic but someone mentioned Butterbean. I used to enjoy watching him fight but I was young at the time and just a casual fan. I know he was labeled as a bumbeater but who was the best he ever faced.

Also, I can't wait for the day when we can seriously talk about Wilder. Really, one good opponent and we can start assessing where this guy is coming from or going.

But getting back to my original, who was the best that Butterbean beat. God he was funny to watch

[powerpuncher]

Do you really think that Bermane Stiverne and David Haye could not match Tyson and Holyfield?

HAhahaHAHAHahaHaHHAhah!!!!

How stupid are you!?

His sole criteria for choosing those four fighters was that none of them are American.
Frankly I'm surprised he could bring himself to choose two black fighters, because by doing so he's going against his whole racial profiling angle...but I guess he's okay with it since neither one is African American.

Stiverne is native Central American and Canada is in the American continent. And Stiverne and Haye are black.

This should serve obviously as a proof that I don't CARE if a fighter is black or white. And I don't CARE if a fighter is American, Russian, or even fucking Chinese! I also don't care if the fighter is heavy or light, tall or short, lean or fat!

And more than anything I DEFINITELY don't care if the boxer is hyped or not or if they are FAMOUS or not in America!

I only care about their ACTUAL QUALITY as boxers!

Jennings, Perez, Wilder and Thompson are top quality boxers by my own admission and are black and American. "I" support them BETTER than YOU even do and they're from your own race and country!

Who is the nationalist? Who is the racist?

You really are that dumb huh?

My whole point was that you chose them because they AREN'T American, then you go on to tell me how they aren't American.

So so stupid...

Also, last time I checked (a minute ago) I wasn't either black or American you idiotic fucktard!

No wonder your baby's momma doesn't want to bang you anymore. It's amazing you got her to in the first place.

Actually I can tell you immediately right now that I chose those boxers immediately off the top of my head and you cannot disprove otherwise.

But we don't have to argue about this...

We can have it your way and allow me to select an American boxer...

What about Deontay Wilder.

I know. Wilder. The most famous bum beater since Butterbean and Sonny Liston.

Can you honestly be SURE that Iron Mike, Big Daddy, The Real Deal or The Lion can DEFINITELY expose Wilder?

You know I believe there are great chances any of them would.

But I also know that that kind of assessment is anything BUT assured. Because none of them faced such a unique kind of opponent as Wilder. And they were all pasted by lesser boxers than Wilder at some stage!

Sorry to get off topic but someone mentioned Butterbean. I used to enjoy watching him fight but I was young at the time and just a casual fan. I know he was labeled as a bumbeater but who was the best he ever faced.

Also, I can't wait for the day when we can seriously talk about Wilder. Really, one good opponent and we can start assessing where this guy is coming from or going.

But getting back to my original, who was the best that Butterbean beat. God he was funny to watch

Well since butterbean is 300 pounds, he must be able to beat Ali and Frazier.

[Max Power]

Do you really think that Bermane Stiverne and David Haye could not match Tyson and Holyfield?

HAhahaHAHAHahaHaHHAhah!!!!

How stupid are you!?

His sole criteria for choosing those four fighters was that none of them are American.
Frankly I'm surprised he could bring himself to choose two black fighters, because by doing so he's going against his whole racial profiling angle...but I guess he's okay with it since neither one is African American.

Stiverne is native Central American and Canada is in the American continent. And Stiverne and Haye are black.

This should serve obviously as a proof that I don't CARE if a fighter is black or white. And I don't CARE if a fighter is American, Russian, or even fucking Chinese! I also don't care if the fighter is heavy or light, tall or short, lean or fat!

And more than anything I DEFINITELY don't care if the boxer is hyped or not or if they are FAMOUS or not in America!

I only care about their ACTUAL QUALITY as boxers!

Jennings, Perez, Wilder and Thompson are top quality boxers by my own admission and are black and American. "I" support them BETTER than YOU even do and they're from your own race and country!

Who is the nationalist? Who is the racist?

You really are that dumb huh?

My whole point was that you chose them because they AREN'T American, then you go on to tell me how they aren't American.

So so stupid...

Also, last time I checked (a minute ago) I wasn't either black or American you idiotic fucktard!

No wonder your baby's momma doesn't want to bang you anymore. It's amazing you got her to in the first place.

Actually I can tell you immediately right now that I chose those boxers immediately off the top of my head and you cannot disprove otherwise.

But we don't have to argue about this...

We can have it your way and allow me to select an American boxer...

What about Deontay Wilder.

I know. Wilder. The most famous bum beater since Butterbean and Sonny Liston.

Can you honestly be SURE that Iron Mike, Big Daddy, The Real Deal or The Lion can DEFINITELY expose Wilder?

You know I believe there are great chances any of them would.

But I also know that that kind of assessment is anything BUT assured. Because none of them faced such a unique kind of opponent as Wilder. And they were all pasted by lesser boxers than Wilder at some stage!

Sorry to get off topic but someone mentioned Butterbean. I used to enjoy watching him fight but I was young at the time and just a casual fan. I know he was labeled as a bumbeater but who was the best he ever faced.

Also, I can't wait for the day when we can seriously talk about Wilder. Really, one good opponent and we can start assessing where this guy is coming from or going.

But getting back to my original, who was the best that Butterbean beat. God he was funny to watch

Well since butterbean is 300 pounds, he must be able to beat Ali and Frazier.

The best opponent he faced was Larry Holmes and he lost.

The best opponent he beat was a decent opponent Peter McNeeley (you know, the one who said he was going to wrap Mike Tyson up in a "cocoon of horror" LOL and then proceeded to try and do so! But yeah considering Peter was a journeyman facing other journeymen it's clear Butterbean was cherry picking his entire career.

Butterbean is a good testament to a lot of things concerning "Max Powerism"...

1/ That weight (even fat weight) can substitute for quality (his win/loss ratio).
2/ That to make a proper assessment of boxers worth, you MUST define what is a bum and what is not a bum (for me this is a boxer who is a 10 fight green or less or has otherwise lost 25% of his fights). And you MUST kick all the bums off the record to make a proper comparison between any set of boxers.

By considering only meaningful fights, everything "automatically" falls into place and you can see clearly that guys like...

Deontay Wilder,
Ken Norton,
Butterbean,
Sonny Liston,
LaMar Clarke

as the most famous examples, are cherry pickers MAINLY! And there rating is in proper intuitive order.

As for whether Esch could beat Muhammad Ali or Joe Frazier, I don't really know! Frazier and Ali certainly had better records. Neither of them had the privilege of fighting such a rounded fat ass like butterball though! LOL I'll leave that for you to decide! haha

[Max Power]

@Max Power, you know so much about heavyweight boxing, I can't believe people even try to convince you otherwise.

You're Saddo's greatest poster of all time. Thanks for being here!

I don't claim to be the greatest expert on boxing or HW boxing. But I do have access to a wide resource of stats and know how to make a proper analysis based on that and their recorded performances and their opponents.

I DO make a somewhat bold claim that so-called EXPERTS opinions in boxing in particular are next to worthless! Most of the time! Except on the rare occasion where that experts opinion falls in line with real evidence.

I don't claim to have expert training knowledge on the intricacies of coaching fighters, which is why I would never extend myself beyond anything basic. But I DO know straight up BS when I'm reading it too.

Your sarcasm is noted.

[ruthless rocco]

@Max Power , you know so much about heavyweight boxing, I can't believe people even try to convince you otherwise.

You're Saddo's greatest poster of all time. Thanks for being here!

I don't claim to be the greatest expert on boxing or HW boxing. But I do have access to a wide resource of stats and know how to make a proper analysis based on that and their recorded performances and their opponents.

I DO make a somewhat bold claim that so-called EXPERTS opinions in boxing in particular are next to worthless! Most of the time! Except on the rare occasion where that experts opinion falls in line with real evidence.

I don't claim to have expert training knowledge on the intricacies of coaching fighters, which is why I would never extend myself beyond anything basic. But I DO know straight up BS when I'm reading it too.

Your sarcasm is noted.

You're a fucking retard.
I have the stats to prove it.
Fact.

[SugarBoxing]

MP theory is the best boxing theory of 2014, great improvement over triangle theory