Sydney Seige

[Beanz]

People with hands against the glass inside and armed police have cordoned off and evacuated the area.

[walrus]

Does it involve muslims

[Xwetie]

Does it involve muslims

It does, middle eastern guy, speculation says it got to do with ISIS.

Live link, still going on! 5 people have escaped from the cafe from a backdoor, 3 boys and 3 girls!

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[Dark Lord Al]

Islam once again declares war on the civilised world. When do we take it seriously.
No muslims condemn it so we can only deduce that they agree with it.

[SugarBoxing]

Reminds me of Face Off movie, now all serious of course

[Dia bando]

I hope it is dealt with in a manner, were there is no mass murder involved by the hostage taker
one more Isa nut case, too much tolerance by the West shown to theses people.

[Gandalf]

Islam once again declares war on the civilised world. When do we take it seriously.
No muslims condemn it so we can only deduce that they agree with it.

By the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.

[Dia bando]

Islam once again declares war on the civilised world. When do we take it seriously.
No muslims condemn it so we can only deduce that they agree with it.

By the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.

Miles theses people are not living in the Middle East, they are living in our community's and Country's
they should abide by OUR WAY OF LIFE, there is no room for small minded people wanting to live
in the barbaric dark ages which they DO.
If they are so unhappy return to there roots, because frankly we don't want them and as they say
as in Rome do as the Romans do.!!!!
The first thing theses people should do, is show some gratitude to the Country's that have taken them
in , instead of wanting to turn us into a Muslim state.
We have shown theses people far to much respect and tolerance, and this is how we are paid back
by acts of violence, people in a coffee shop frightened to death fearing for there lives.
This story will not end as more morons, turn to extremists send a message we will not tolerate such
behavior.

[smashup]

Just before i left home for work i heard on the radio they were worried the guy has explosives.

He's been seen with some kind of back packs so if it goes pear shaped for him he's likely to just blow himself and everyone else to pieces.

He's been in their a long time already so must be getting twitchy by now.

[walrus]

Islam once again declares war on the civilised world. When do we take it seriously.
No muslims condemn it so we can only deduce that they agree with it.

By the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.

Miles, if these cocksuckers went after hard targets I might agree with you. But no they always look for easy targets.

[pacfan]

I just saw a thread about showing boxing 2 hour straight to these blokes and whoever thought of that stupid idea should be thrown in there with the rest of the hostages.

Of course I'm just kidding, I don't wish ill luck to any nice fella.

[ryanman]

Islam once again declares war on the civilised world. When do we take it seriously.
No muslims condemn it so we can only deduce that they agree with it.

By the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.

Miles you are confusing ISIS with Muslims that have had genuine grievances.
Remember that ISIS predominately do not exist to fight Western imperialism but to install a caliphate across Syria and Iraq. Also remember that they have killed FAR more Muslims than they have Westerners. They kill Muslims. That is their prey. They only killed Westerners when the bombs dropped (rightly IMO) to stop them killing more.

ISIS do not share an ideology even with other Jihadi groups. Even other Jihadis condemn them. That is pretty powerful and instructive. You used to get Muslims saying about Al Qaeda 'they do not represent Islam' but now you get Jihadi groups saying ISIS 'do not represent Jihad!'. Therefore, I think that framing ISIS as an anti-imperialist anti-western group is not accurate. It's an accurate description of Al Qaeda, but not ISIS.

Having said all that is this guy claiming a connection with ISIS? Or is he just an 'independent' as it were?

[Gandalf]

As far as I can see, Isis is a two pronged Western strategy for a) Eventual dismantling of Assad and b) To ensure control of Iraq having being humiliated after being kicked out of the region. Everything else that comes with it is smoke and mirrors and I would assume ordinary members of Isis are not in on the overall plan. They are just angry Muslims and they have every right to be angry. The caliphate concept is an effective cover. I think people who really study the issue know that Isis is not about anything Muslim, but is rather a terror cell being run by the usual suspects in the shadows. Isis is good for the West for a) propaganda purposes and b) regional control.

It is inevitable that blow back will occur from the invasions, the murder, and torture. It is inevitable that blow back will occur as some will have sympathy with Isis who they mistakenly feel are fighting a Muslim cause. On all sides people are being manipulated. The only solution is The Hague for the war criminals and for the arms industry to stop supplying the terrorists and for mafia groups like the CIA to be abolished. Call me naive, but I think the world might end up a slightly nicer place.

I think the guy is likely just an angry isolated Muslim, but don't know for sure. Also when people criticise Muslims who 'come to our country'.....remember who let them in! The same fuckers that started all this, so when you want to point fingers, go and start your revolution at the appropriate doors. None of this division, us against the immigrants nonsense. Get the rotters that lied and cheated to you, the ordinary Muslim should not have to become an 'Alright Mate' cockney, he is his own person, but the war criminals should be held to account.

Cheney says he would do the torture again. Would you now, you slimy rat? How about we do it on you and get some confessions? However, some of us wouldn't go there, so the least you can do is spend the rest of your vile life in prison, you troll faced skid mark.