Sydney Seige

[Beanflicker]

And here people want us to feel bad because of the torture carried out post-9/11.

I think you have to use fire with fire. There's no talking to these savages, brute force must be met with brute force.

All civilized countries should get together and just agree that whenever someone attacks a civilized country in the name of Islam, we drone attack an Islamic country at random.

[Andre]

Isis have made calls all over the internet asking single men who are on side to take up the cause in the name of Islam and hit a western target in their own countries ;abduct and execute random westerners.

This is about a religion taking over the world of politics then you.

They never forget they never forgive they teach hatred and vengeance to their young.

If we were the same and taught the same we would all be against all Germans and Japs to this day,the world would cease to roll.

[Dia bando]

Isis have made calls all over the internet asking single men who are on side to take up the cause in the name of Islam and hit a western target in their own countries ;abduct and execute random westerners.

This is about a religion taking over the world of politics then you.

They never forget they never forgive they teach hatred and vengeance to their young.

If we were the same and taught the same we would all be against all Germans and Japs to this day,the world would cease to roll.

Yes I see you point mate, but action against extremism must be full on no tolerance what so ever
the guy in the coffee shop, nice big bullet in the head is called for.
I do hope they shoot him, as they are not the people you want in any Country, you can not reason
with extremists.
The trouble I feel we have handled, theses people with kid gloves in future a iron fist is called for
this Cunt in that shop, needs dealing with I just hope everybody gets out alive bar him.

[walrus]

Islam once again declares war on the civilised world. When do we take it seriously.
No muslims condemn it so we can only deduce that they agree with it.

By the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.

Miles, if these cocksuckers went after hard targets I might agree with you. But no they always look for easy targets.

[pacfan]

I just saw a thread about showing boxing 2 hour straight to these blokes and whoever thought of that stupid idea should be thrown in there with the rest of the hostages.

Of course I'm just kidding, I don't wish ill luck to any nice fella.

[Master]

I just see hyprocracy. You want peace in the middle east between Israel and Palestine and the only way to do that is to talk and compromise.

You want to exterminate ISIS and kill them all with blanket bombing.

Here is an idea lets talk to these fuckers and say what the hell do you want and lets take it from there.

The terrorist on this side are loners, radicalsied idiots, some with mental illness who ISIS could not give a toss about. Morons.

[ryanman]

Islam once again declares war on the civilised world. When do we take it seriously.
No muslims condemn it so we can only deduce that they agree with it.

By the same token, why aren't Bush and Blair in The Hague? How can the Muslim world take us seriously? An invasion of nations or isolated acts of revenge? The invasion is illegal and the revenge a consequence of the the invasion. The thug that started the riot is ultimately responsible. This is blowback. It isn't right or proper, but is the natural consequence of illegal invasion, murder, rendition and torture. Using your same logic the lack of outrage by the general public in the West means that we agree with our elite crooks. It doesn't quite work like that though does it Al.

Miles you are confusing ISIS with Muslims that have had genuine grievances.
Remember that ISIS predominately do not exist to fight Western imperialism but to install a caliphate across Syria and Iraq. Also remember that they have killed FAR more Muslims than they have Westerners. They kill Muslims. That is their prey. They only killed Westerners when the bombs dropped (rightly IMO) to stop them killing more.

ISIS do not share an ideology even with other Jihadi groups. Even other Jihadis condemn them. That is pretty powerful and instructive. You used to get Muslims saying about Al Qaeda 'they do not represent Islam' but now you get Jihadi groups saying ISIS 'do not represent Jihad!'. Therefore, I think that framing ISIS as an anti-imperialist anti-western group is not accurate. It's an accurate description of Al Qaeda, but not ISIS.

Having said all that is this guy claiming a connection with ISIS? Or is he just an 'independent' as it were?

[ryanman]

Very bad, but isolated incidents of blow back are a natural response to Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria. The torturing, renditioning, murdering war criminals are responsible for the invasions and thus all incidents of blow back like this IMO. When a million are dead in Iraq alone, imagine how many scarred relatives are still out there, and how many will have a life long hatred of the Anglo-American war criminals. I'm only surprised there isn't more of this. It is very bad and wrong, but it is a logical outcome of illegal savagery.

To repeat myself from the other thread about this -
Miles you are confusing ISIS with Muslims that have had genuine grievances.
Remember that ISIS predominately do not exist to fight Western imperialism but to install a caliphate across Syria and Iraq. Also remember that they have killed FAR more Muslims than they have Westerners. They kill Muslims. That is their prey. They only killed Westerners when the bombs dropped (rightly IMO) to stop them killing more.

ISIS do not share an ideology even with other Jihadi groups. Even other Jihadis condemn them. That is pretty powerful and instructive. You used to get Muslims saying about Al Qaeda 'they do not represent Islam' but now you get Jihadi groups saying ISIS 'do not represent Jihad!'. Therefore, I think that framing ISIS as an anti-imperialist anti-western group is not accurate. It's an accurate description of Al Qaeda, but not ISIS.


Having said all that is this guy claiming a connection with ISIS? Or is he just an 'independent' as it were?

[Master]

Very bad, but isolated incidents of blow back are a natural response to Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria. The torturing, renditioning, murdering war criminals are responsible for the invasions and thus all incidents of blow back like this IMO. When a million are dead in Iraq alone, imagine how many scarred relatives are still out there, and how many will have a life long hatred of the Anglo-American war criminals. I'm only surprised there isn't more of this. It is very bad and wrong, but it is a logical outcome of illegal savagery.

To repeat myself from the other thread about this -
Miles you are confusing ISIS with Muslims that have had genuine grievances.
Remember that ISIS predominately do not exist to fight Western imperialism but to install a caliphate across Syria and Iraq. Also remember that they have killed FAR more Muslims than they have Westerners. They kill Muslims. That is their prey. They only killed Westerners when the bombs dropped (rightly IMO) to stop them killing more.

ISIS do not share an ideology even with other Jihadi groups. Even other Jihadis condemn them. That is pretty powerful and instructive. You used to get Muslims saying about Al Qaeda 'they do not represent Islam' but now you get Jihadi groups saying ISIS 'do not represent Jihad!'. Therefore, I think that framing ISIS as an anti-imperialist anti-western group is not accurate. It's an accurate description of Al Qaeda, but not ISIS.


Having said all that is this guy claiming a connection with ISIS? Or is he just an 'independent' as it were?

he is probably an independant contracted consultant.

[Dia bando]

Do you no what annoys me this shit bag, was given asylum to live in Australia and this is how he
pays it back, we are so stupid letting people in to our Country's who attack our way of life, our
religious beliefs etc. We need to get our act together, send them back to the Country of there
birth. This guy was a trouble maker extremist views, to a Country that saved him what a cunt
let this be a lesson, if they step out of line deport them.

[Master]

Dia, this guy was a career criminal, sex offender and just a loser i general. He had nothing to live for and like most bums in life he wanted to hurt as many people as possible. Total prick. They should have shot each of his testicles, put pins in his eyes and pulled out his nails with pliers.

[Dark Lord Al]

No muslims can ever integrate into western society as they have an agenda to change none believers into muslims.
Massive mistake thinking they can live shoulder to shoulder with us.

[Andre]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

[Dark Lord Al]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.

[Gandalf]

As far as I can see, Isis is a two pronged Western strategy for a) Eventual dismantling of Assad and b) To ensure control of Iraq having being humiliated after being kicked out of the region. Everything else that comes with it is smoke and mirrors and I would assume ordinary members of Isis are not in on the overall plan. They are just angry Muslims and they have every right to be angry. The caliphate concept is an effective cover. I think people who really study the issue know that Isis is not about anything Muslim, but is rather a terror cell being run by the usual suspects in the shadows. Isis is good for the West for a) propaganda purposes and b) regional control.

It is inevitable that blow back will occur from the invasions, the murder, and torture. It is inevitable that blow back will occur as some will have sympathy with Isis who they mistakenly feel are fighting a Muslim cause. On all sides people are being manipulated. The only solution is The Hague for the war criminals and for the arms industry to stop supplying the terrorists and for mafia groups like the CIA to be abolished. Call me naive, but I think the world might end up a slightly nicer place.

I think the guy is likely just an angry isolated Muslim, but don't know for sure. Also when people criticise Muslims who 'come to our country'.....remember who let them in! The same fuckers that started all this, so when you want to point fingers, go and start your revolution at the appropriate doors. None of this division, us against the immigrants nonsense. Get the rotters that lied and cheated to you, the ordinary Muslim should not have to become an 'Alright Mate' cockney, he is his own person, but the war criminals should be held to account.

Cheney says he would do the torture again. Would you now, you slimy rat? How about we do it on you and get some confessions? However, some of us wouldn't go there, so the least you can do is spend the rest of your vile life in prison, you troll faced skid mark.