Sydney Seige

[Master]

Very bad, but isolated incidents of blow back are a natural response to Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria. The torturing, renditioning, murdering war criminals are responsible for the invasions and thus all incidents of blow back like this IMO. When a million are dead in Iraq alone, imagine how many scarred relatives are still out there, and how many will have a life long hatred of the Anglo-American war criminals. I'm only surprised there isn't more of this. It is very bad and wrong, but it is a logical outcome of illegal savagery.

To repeat myself from the other thread about this -
Miles you are confusing ISIS with Muslims that have had genuine grievances.
Remember that ISIS predominately do not exist to fight Western imperialism but to install a caliphate across Syria and Iraq. Also remember that they have killed FAR more Muslims than they have Westerners. They kill Muslims. That is their prey. They only killed Westerners when the bombs dropped (rightly IMO) to stop them killing more.

ISIS do not share an ideology even with other Jihadi groups. Even other Jihadis condemn them. That is pretty powerful and instructive. You used to get Muslims saying about Al Qaeda 'they do not represent Islam' but now you get Jihadi groups saying ISIS 'do not represent Jihad!'. Therefore, I think that framing ISIS as an anti-imperialist anti-western group is not accurate. It's an accurate description of Al Qaeda, but not ISIS.


Having said all that is this guy claiming a connection with ISIS? Or is he just an 'independent' as it were?

he is probably an independant contracted consultant.

[Dia bando]

Do you no what annoys me this shit bag, was given asylum to live in Australia and this is how he
pays it back, we are so stupid letting people in to our Country's who attack our way of life, our
religious beliefs etc. We need to get our act together, send them back to the Country of there
birth. This guy was a trouble maker extremist views, to a Country that saved him what a cunt
let this be a lesson, if they step out of line deport them.

[Master]

Dia, this guy was a career criminal, sex offender and just a loser i general. He had nothing to live for and like most bums in life he wanted to hurt as many people as possible. Total prick. They should have shot each of his testicles, put pins in his eyes and pulled out his nails with pliers.

[Dark Lord Al]

No muslims can ever integrate into western society as they have an agenda to change none believers into muslims.
Massive mistake thinking they can live shoulder to shoulder with us.

[Dia bando]

Dia, this guy was a career criminal, sex offender and just a loser i general. He had nothing to live for and like most bums in life he wanted to hurt as many people as possible. Total prick. They should have shot each of his testicles, put pins in his eyes and pulled out his nails with pliers.

You are correct he was a criminal, as I said taken in to a Country and abused there kindness he was
a nut, he was given a place to live he was sending nasty letters to dead soldiers family's.
Suspected of killing his wife, fuck why did they not deport him again to much tolerance shown, I never
understand the system allowing him, to be out on the streets the cunt should have been locked up.

[Andre]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

[Dark Lord Al]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.

[walrus]

My serious condolences to all Aussies. Some here describe this as blowback from coalition moves in the middle east. That is a disgusting thought in my mind. intentionally targeting people trying to get a coffee on their way to work can not be justified in anyway shape or form. Isis Crucifies Christians, beheaded peace workers and has an ugly flag to boot. If groups such as this were willing to sit down and discuss peace and we were refusing to do so an argument could be made. Isis and there followers said they will not rest until Israel is gone, their flag flies over the White house and St. Peter's in the Vatican and the world has submitted to Islam. To blame the US or any other country for this kind of mind set that has been in the Middle East for thousands of years is crazy. We have only been around for a few hundred years. When Isis encourages its followers to kill non Muslims where ever they are found goes beyond any rational revenge or defense. They kill Muslims who are not as radical and refuse to accept there agenda. Afghanistan gave safe haven and training camps to those who wish to destroy the west. It is pointless for me to go on as many have made up there minds that the US is responsible for two thousand years of Muslim hatred but if the middle east has its way there will be no Chistians, Jews, Zoastrians or any other non Muslims. They are not interested in deporting these people, they want and have been committing genocide for years. We are not stupid in the US, many in Europe and others will continue to blame us even though there interference in the middle east predates ours by hundreds of years. It is none of these countries fault,it is the radical and hypocritical actions of middle eastern governments ands radical sects within and it will not be stopping anytime soon. In Bosnia we went in to defend Muslims, in Afghanistan we try to protect the populate against radical elements within and in Iraq we spend Billions trying to rebuild the country. We are not perfect, but we have been giving Egypt any many other countries billions a year with the hope of maintaining some type of peace over there. I kind of wish it was all our fault, if the fault lay with one entity, it would probably be much easier to bring about some kind of remedy. In most of these middle eastern countries it is illegal to protest against regimes in power but all these governments encourage the populace to protest the US. Much easier to place the blame on an external entity than internal where change could start.

Once again, very sorry to see this happening in Australia, all the Aussie members I've talked to hear seem like very decent people. God Bless.

[Spicoli]

They should put some serious effort into taking a few of these easily manipulated shit bags and try to flip them. Another way of fire with fire maybe but personally I've had enough and can only feel for the innocents put at the knifes edge strictly because of the Country born into or religion followed. The have escalated it to the point of no return with these actions are those of madmen who have already decided to die. You simply forfeit all reason and peace easy approach when you dismember children, when you behead aid workers and then put the body on sale for the highest bidder, and when you frankly declare war on me. Fuck them and if given the opportunity I would have no problem with seeing someone under the Isis banner having his head disappear into a red cloud. I'll pop some fookin popcorn.

[Andre]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.

I think they are scared of people hiding within their religion.

Reports are just in from the chief of police the cunt had prior convictions and was out on bail. She wouldnt say if some of the victums were killed from friendly fire.

[Beanz]

The guy was an Iranian Shi' ite nutter. Isis continue to kill Iranian sh'ites. It's easy to put two and two together and get five but it seems he was just another scummy cunt who latched onto the ideology of those who would not have thought twice about beheading him.

I noticed when the Commandos went in they let all the hostages run past and some poor middle eastern bearded guy who was unfortunate enough to look vaguely like the hostage taker, had the sense to not only raise his hands but lie down on the floor. I bet he was as frightened then as in any point during the ordeal. Seems the authorities acted quickly, and efficiently with appropriate deadly force when faced with no alternative.

Guy could have had a bomb set or anything.30 seconds and it was all over.

RIP the two victims and speedy recovery to those injured.

[Beanz]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.

Sydney siege: Grand Mufti of Australia condemns Martin Place attack


Muslim leaders condemn Sydney siege


Muslims condemn Sydney siege as racial tensions heightened over Islamic flag at site of hostage-taking | National Post


Sydney siege: More than 40 Australian Muslim groups condemn cafe attack - Australia/New Zealand News & Top Stories - The Straits Times



Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege


Australian Muslims condemn hostage taking in Sydney


Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege | GulfNews.com

[Andre]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.

Sydney siege: Grand Mufti of Australia condemns Martin Place attack


Muslim leaders condemn Sydney siege


Muslims condemn Sydney siege as racial tensions heightened over Islamic flag at site of hostage-taking | National Post


Sydney siege: More than 40 Australian Muslim groups condemn cafe attack - Australia/New Zealand News & Top Stories - The Straits Times



Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege


Australian Muslims condemn hostage taking in Sydney


Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege | GulfNews.com

Good they need to do so.

The media also need to focus on them doing it.

They are not at the moment here.

I would have thought a cleric or Mullah would have offered himself up and gone in there to chat with the cunt.

Didnt hear that or see it on the coverage though.

Got a feeling the cops could of handled this other ways instead of waiting for the inevitable.

Maybe they tried getting someone in there early dont know.

This cunt had priors and was out on bail and the cops recon he was known to them and was unstable. (what do you do)? The law is the law,its for everyone,I wonder what his prior convictions were?

[Andre]

There is live footage in Martins square on the coverage here at the moment. Three cops line the square and people are going in one at a time past the cop line placing flowers down,there are thousands, I havent seen anyone turn up in a burka or in Muslim robes as yet, but would be interesting and it should be done and soon.

[Beanz]

There is live footage in Martins square on the coverage here at the moment. Three cops line the square and people are going in one at a time past the cop line placing flowers down,there are thousands, I havent seen anyone turn up in a burka or in Muslim robes as yet, but would be interesting and it should be done and soon.

It's a sick and tragic thing but that guy was not at all representative of most Muslims, just as a violent far right white English National front supporting thug, does not represent me, even if we have got the same boots and haircut.