Sydney Seige

[walrus]

My serious condolences to all Aussies. Some here describe this as blowback from coalition moves in the middle east. That is a disgusting thought in my mind. intentionally targeting people trying to get a coffee on their way to work can not be justified in anyway shape or form. Isis Crucifies Christians, beheaded peace workers and has an ugly flag to boot. If groups such as this were willing to sit down and discuss peace and we were refusing to do so an argument could be made. Isis and there followers said they will not rest until Israel is gone, their flag flies over the White house and St. Peter's in the Vatican and the world has submitted to Islam. To blame the US or any other country for this kind of mind set that has been in the Middle East for thousands of years is crazy. We have only been around for a few hundred years. When Isis encourages its followers to kill non Muslims where ever they are found goes beyond any rational revenge or defense. They kill Muslims who are not as radical and refuse to accept there agenda. Afghanistan gave safe haven and training camps to those who wish to destroy the west. It is pointless for me to go on as many have made up there minds that the US is responsible for two thousand years of Muslim hatred but if the middle east has its way there will be no Chistians, Jews, Zoastrians or any other non Muslims. They are not interested in deporting these people, they want and have been committing genocide for years. We are not stupid in the US, many in Europe and others will continue to blame us even though there interference in the middle east predates ours by hundreds of years. It is none of these countries fault,it is the radical and hypocritical actions of middle eastern governments ands radical sects within and it will not be stopping anytime soon. In Bosnia we went in to defend Muslims, in Afghanistan we try to protect the populate against radical elements within and in Iraq we spend Billions trying to rebuild the country. We are not perfect, but we have been giving Egypt any many other countries billions a year with the hope of maintaining some type of peace over there. I kind of wish it was all our fault, if the fault lay with one entity, it would probably be much easier to bring about some kind of remedy. In most of these middle eastern countries it is illegal to protest against regimes in power but all these governments encourage the populace to protest the US. Much easier to place the blame on an external entity than internal where change could start.

Once again, very sorry to see this happening in Australia, all the Aussie members I've talked to hear seem like very decent people. God Bless.

[Andre]

Two little kids are now motherless.

Big man hey? A just cause hey? Nope.

A fucking chocolate outlet for a target!!!

Whimp cunt I hope the heat and gravity of middle earth is pulling his soul to pieces.

[Andre]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.

I think they are scared of people hiding within their religion.

Reports are just in from the chief of police the cunt had prior convictions and was out on bail. She wouldnt say if some of the victums were killed from friendly fire.

[Beanz]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.

Sydney siege: Grand Mufti of Australia condemns Martin Place attack


Muslim leaders condemn Sydney siege


Muslims condemn Sydney siege as racial tensions heightened over Islamic flag at site of hostage-taking | National Post


Sydney siege: More than 40 Australian Muslim groups condemn cafe attack - Australia/New Zealand News & Top Stories - The Straits Times



Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege


Australian Muslims condemn hostage taking in Sydney


Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege | GulfNews.com

[Andre]

It was a mother of two, a 38 year old who he killed its sketchy but the young man killed could of been while the take down occurred not sure.

Islamic clerics if innocent, needs to get real loud against the Islamic state/ and ISIS and all extremists.

I hope not but I can see some Aussies wanting vengeance hope they dont get stupid on innocent good hearted Muslim folk.

God dont you wish some Sas dude was in there buying chocolate for his misses or something that cunt would have his neck broke the first time he looked the other away and the shotty off target.

Im surprized the Special operations group before moving in, never tried to sneak someone in there right at the start in a suit carrying a bunch of flowers acting like a dumb person after chocolate.Thought they'd have ideas like that on tap .Sneak poison and sedative into the cunts drink when you are in etc.

How fucked is this.

You will find Andre that the majority of muslims wont condemn this , so as far as im concerned they are on the same page.

Sydney siege: Grand Mufti of Australia condemns Martin Place attack


Muslim leaders condemn Sydney siege


Muslims condemn Sydney siege as racial tensions heightened over Islamic flag at site of hostage-taking | National Post


Sydney siege: More than 40 Australian Muslim groups condemn cafe attack - Australia/New Zealand News & Top Stories - The Straits Times



Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege


Australian Muslims condemn hostage taking in Sydney


Australian Muslim groups condemn Sydney cafe siege | GulfNews.com

Good they need to do so.

The media also need to focus on them doing it.

They are not at the moment here.

I would have thought a cleric or Mullah would have offered himself up and gone in there to chat with the cunt.

Didnt hear that or see it on the coverage though.

Got a feeling the cops could of handled this other ways instead of waiting for the inevitable.

Maybe they tried getting someone in there early dont know.

This cunt had priors and was out on bail and the cops recon he was known to them and was unstable. (what do you do)? The law is the law,its for everyone,I wonder what his prior convictions were?

[Andre]

There is live footage in Martins square on the coverage here at the moment. Three cops line the square and people are going in one at a time past the cop line placing flowers down,there are thousands, I havent seen anyone turn up in a burka or in Muslim robes as yet, but would be interesting and it should be done and soon.

[Beanz]

And here people want us to feel bad because of the torture carried out post-9/11.

I think you have to use fire with fire. There's no talking to these savages, brute force must be met with brute force.

All civilized countries should get together and just agree that whenever someone attacks a civilized country in the name of Islam, we drone attack an Islamic country at random.

That's hilarious and all that but kind of ignores the FACT that torture victims just tell you what you want to hear and that the torture carried out in the name of people, in what you would call the civilized world, did diddly squat but drag the perpetrators of it down to the terrorists level. Drone attacking anything randomly is no better than planting a bomb amongst innocent civilians. How about the IRA, were they part of a civilised country when Americans were arming them ?

[Beanz]

There is live footage in Martins square on the coverage here at the moment. Three cops line the square and people are going in one at a time past the cop line placing flowers down,there are thousands, I havent seen anyone turn up in a burka or in Muslim robes as yet, but would be interesting and it should be done and soon.

It's a sick and tragic thing but that guy was not at all representative of most Muslims, just as a violent far right white English National front supporting thug, does not represent me, even if we have got the same boots and haircut.

[Spicoli]

They should put some serious effort into taking a few of these easily manipulated shit bags and try to flip them. Another way of fire with fire maybe but personally I've had enough and can only feel for the innocents put at the knifes edge strictly because of the Country born into or religion followed. The have escalated it to the point of no return with these actions are those of madmen who have already decided to die. You simply forfeit all reason and peace easy approach when you dismember children, when you behead aid workers and then put the body on sale for the highest bidder, and when you frankly declare war on me. Fuck them and if given the opportunity I would have no problem with seeing someone under the Isis banner having his head disappear into a red cloud. I'll pop some fookin popcorn.

[Beanz]

The guy was an Iranian Shi' ite nutter. Isis continue to kill Iranian sh'ites. It's easy to put two and two together and get five but it seems he was just another scummy cunt who latched onto the ideology of those who would not have thought twice about beheading him.

I noticed when the Commandos went in they let all the hostages run past and some poor middle eastern bearded guy who was unfortunate enough to look vaguely like the hostage taker, had the sense to not only raise his hands but lie down on the floor. I bet he was as frightened then as in any point during the ordeal. Seems the authorities acted quickly, and efficiently with appropriate deadly force when faced with no alternative.

Guy could have had a bomb set or anything.30 seconds and it was all over.

RIP the two victims and speedy recovery to those injured.

[walrus]

And here people want us to feel bad because of the torture carried out post-9/11.

I think you have to use fire with fire. There's no talking to these savages, brute force must be met with brute force.

All civilized countries should get together and just agree that whenever someone attacks a civilized country in the name of Islam, we drone attack an Islamic country at random.

That's hilarious and all that but kind of ignores the FACT that torture victims just tell you what you want to hear and that the torture carried out in the name of people, in what you would call the civilized world, did diddly squat but drag the perpetrators of it down to the terrorists level. Drone attacking anything randomly is no better than planting a bomb amongst innocent civilians. How about the IRA, were they part of a civilised country when Americans were arming them ?

Yup, the US fault to. It was Irish Americans trying to support those who they felt the Brits were missing on. I myself gave money to Shin Fein forgive my selling. Maggie and Reagan were buddies and
The US sent envoy after envoy trying to bring about a peaceful revolution but you proved my point that so many in the world blame the US for so much. We even killed Kennedy, King and brought down the twin towers. We have always backed the Brits but many US citizens did feel the the Brits were having a piss on the Irish so chose to help out. You gotta admit, they got pretty close to Maggie. I didn't approve of a lot of the iras actions, especially blowing up bars and what not but the armed struggle against the military was appropriate. At least in my eyes. I don't know why the Brits felt it so necessary to keep the population by force. It was a noble war on either side and I would have loved to have seen the conflict resolved by peaceful means. Another conflict that was twisted by the Brits into a Religous war when religion played such a small factor. At the time the Brits passed horrible laws allowing for the detention and imprisonment with mere suspicion. I never liked that stuff.

[Andre]

I dont know of it all, but Im of the feeling the original Ira were just in their actions to begin with. Supressed by aristocracy from the start removing their ancient forests etc letting them starve in the mean time. By the time I was a kid the IRA was out of control and corrupt. It went down hill from the time when they fought off the black and tans on their own ground (A just action against such filth). But power is as power does and money and arms followed, people got overtaken and corrupted ,it wasnt a fight on to whos attacking, it was turned into vengeance against public figures anyone who dared stand against them, even the bombing of Londons under ground stations, targeting women and kids (There is no high ground or morals in that either way I would hate to have financed that). Now the new RA hides behind executing so called drug dealers but the exact same drugs are not being handed in, they are getting through RA channels. Its that power /money corruption thing again.

Correct me if im wrong there,by all means but thats how I understand the evolution of it.

[Gandalf]

Isis have made calls all over the internet asking single men who are on side to take up the cause in the name of Islam and hit a western target in their own countries ;abduct and execute random westerners.

This is about a religion taking over the world of politics then you.

They never forget they never forgive they teach hatred and vengeance to their young.

If we were the same and taught the same we would all be against all Germans and Japs to this day,the world would cease to roll.

They say Nazism never died, it merely moved West. Torture, rendition and illegal invasion suggest as much too. Where is The Hague for the war criminals? Where are the jail sentences for torture? Where is the justice for Bradley Manning? Where are the apologies for these crimes and where is the atonement? And yet Isis with their made in America weapons are supposedly the ultimate evil? The evil of the West fed it and nurtured it and gave it room to play when Iraq was taken away from them. When you say they teach hatred and vengeance to their young are you talking about the Bullingdon unloved boys club who typically go on to wreak havoc on the world generation after generation? They've destroyed a lot, lot more than Isis have and ironically even helped fund Isis.

The way to move forwards is to atone for great crimes. The Japanese were executed by us for torture, yet we barely raise an eyelid.The invasion, torture and murder is what feeds the hate and the terrorist numbers are testament to this. Isis is the product of the likes of Blair and the West has dug itself into a vipers next in a dark lair beneath the ground. Say sorry, go to prison and it's a start. The West has never even tried. Religion? It's power and psychopathy.

[Andre]

Isis have made calls all over the internet asking single men who are on side to take up the cause in the name of Islam and hit a western target in their own countries ;abduct and execute random westerners.

This is about a religion taking over the world of politics then you.

They never forget they never forgive they teach hatred and vengeance to their young.

If we were the same and taught the same we would all be against all Germans and Japs to this day,the world would cease to roll.

They say Nazism never died, it merely moved West. Torture, rendition and illegal invasion suggest as much too. Where is The Hague for the war criminals? Where are the jail sentences for torture? Where is the justice for Bradley Manning? Where are the apologies for these crimes and where is the atonement? And yet Isis with their made in America weapons are supposedly the ultimate evil? The evil of the West fed it and nurtured it and gave it room to play when Iraq was taken away from them. When you say they teach hatred and vengeance to their young are you talking about the Bullingdon unloved boys club who typically go on to wreak havoc on the world generation after generation? They've destroyed a lot, lot more than Isis have and ironically even helped fund Isis.

The way to move forwards is to atone for great crimes. The Japanese were executed by us for torture, yet we barely raise an eyelid.The invasion, torture and murder is what feeds the hate and the terrorist numbers are testament to this. Isis is the product of the likes of Blair and the West has dug itself into a vipers next in a dark lair beneath the ground. Say sorry, go to prison and it's a start. The West has never even tried. Religion? It's power and psychopathy.

We know what war entails you dont have to remind us it is the wrong time here. Trouble is Miles this bloke who killed innocents today here in Sydney was spouting the exact things you have to the letter.

I know you arent saying this should have occurred but its still the wrong timing I think to spout the same stuff could be taken like there is some sort of justification to it.

Turns out he had named himself a cleric but the Muslim religions here have no record of him studing and say he was not a member with any of them.They separated themselves from all his actions. He was a man who wrote to all the war vets families and called their dead sons and daughters child murderers etc. Even sent notes onto their funerals etc. Turns out he was on bail for the murder of his ex wife who was murdered in a stair well by knife wounds then set alight. He was also charged with about 40 sexual assaults of different women who he said he was healing through a spiritual meditation practice.He tried to get the charges over turned and was denied just last week.His new girlfriend or wife is also up on charges over his ex wifes death.
The Muslim Grand leader of Sydney offered the police for himself to go and talk this cunt down out of his insanity.
Our police declined!
Our Army offered their assistance and our police declined!
Fucking cops.

This man was a fruit cake of highest order and acted alone,using Isis as an excuse to go out taking innocents with him.
Turns out also that the young manager who died tried twice to get the gun off this cunt swill of a person only to cop a beating the first time and was executed the second time a real HERO was lost to us all today in Tory Johnson, RIP mate.
Rip Katrina Dawson.

[Beanz]

And here people want us to feel bad because of the torture carried out post-9/11.

I think you have to use fire with fire. There's no talking to these savages, brute force must be met with brute force.

All civilized countries should get together and just agree that whenever someone attacks a civilized country in the name of Islam, we drone attack an Islamic country at random.

That's hilarious and all that but kind of ignores the FACT that torture victims just tell you what you want to hear and that the torture carried out in the name of people, in what you would call the civilized world, did diddly squat but drag the perpetrators of it down to the terrorists level. Drone attacking anything randomly is no better than planting a bomb amongst innocent civilians. How about the IRA, were they part of a civilised country when Americans were arming them ?

Yup, the US fault to. It was Irish Americans trying to support those who they felt the Brits were missing on. I myself gave money to Shin Fein forgive my selling. Maggie and Reagan were buddies and
The US sent envoy after envoy trying to bring about a peaceful revolution but you proved my point that so many in the world blame the US for so much. We even killed Kennedy, King and brought down the twin towers. We have always backed the Brits but many US citizens did feel the the Brits were having a piss on the Irish so chose to help out. You gotta admit, they got pretty close to Maggie. I didn't approve of a lot of the iras actions, especially blowing up bars and what not but the armed struggle against the military was appropriate. At least in my eyes. I don't know why the Brits felt it so necessary to keep the population by force. It was a noble war on either side and I would have loved to have seen the conflict resolved by peaceful means. Another conflict that was twisted by the Brits into a Religous war when religion played such a small factor. At the time the Brits passed horrible laws allowing for the detention and imprisonment with mere suspicion. I never liked that stuff.

Here is not the place to address all those points but as the English born grandson of an Irish grandmother I can tell you now that is a crock of shit.