Earnie Shavers: You Would Not Have Heard Of The Klits In My Day

[Max Power]

An 80s child! That makes you about 3 years old....I mean 30, sorry, forgot the ZERO that belongs in there. Bwahaha

That explains everything now. This kid missed a lot. Poor lil' tot.

Yeah but then again, I bypassed the punch bag eras and didn't get hit all that much, so I probably don't have early onset dementia like the rest of you seniors

At least we have sense you seem to never had any.

Yeah well I prefer to trust my own eyesight more than the word of so called "knowledgable senior posters" like yourselves.

If I find myself the victim of scalding from you Master, I know I must be on the right track.

I have an internet connection with much of the key fights and even some more obscure ones to download at my fingertips. Being removed from the "emotional" aspect of those times I can only imagine would possibly put me in an improved position to judge the worth of a historical fighter.

[Master]

You need to read and see more because your knowledge is based on what is current is best when it is not.

Eras go in cycles they all can not be the best 70's and 90's the best 2000 = suck. It will pick up.

[Max Power]

You need to read and see more because your knowledge is based on what is current is best when it is not.

Eras go in cycles they all can not be the best 70's and 90's the best 2000 = suck. It will pick up.

Yeah more like your favourites fought in those eras.

"It will pick up", yeah I'll bet, like when Klitschko retires right? I will laugh if Pulev takes over the div when Wladimir retires, then you will have to wait again! lol

[Master]

You need to read and see more because your knowledge is based on what is current is best when it is not.

Eras go in cycles they all can not be the best 70's and 90's the best 2000 = suck. It will pick up.

Yeah more like your favourites fought in those eras.

"It will pick up", yeah I'll bet, like when Klitschko retires right? I will laugh if Pulev takes over the div when Wladimir retires, then you will have to wait again! lol

Wilder will take over and I will laugh at you.

[Max Power]

You need to read and see more because your knowledge is based on what is current is best when it is not.

Eras go in cycles they all can not be the best 70's and 90's the best 2000 = suck. It will pick up.

Yeah more like your favourites fought in those eras.

"It will pick up", yeah I'll bet, like when Klitschko retires right? I will laugh if Pulev takes over the div when Wladimir retires, then you will have to wait again! lol

Wilder will take over and I will laugh at you.

I don't care if Wilder does take over. I rank boxers on their achievements. So far he is a bum fighter like Shavers and Liston. If he can beat fighters like Stiverne, then he's proven himself worthy of the top.

I will adjust my rating accordingly, and his methods to reach his goal will become relevant as "another way" to go about getting to where you want to be. However disreputable it might have been. But if he didn't have the goods, he wouldn't beat top guys, that's the point.

And if he fails? He was just a bum like Liston and Shavers.

In January, we will know what he's made of.

The fact he is more exciting than Pulev is not the main reason you will be happier. It will be because he isn't from a continental European country and you can identify with him.

[Master]

Liston is not a bum he was champion of the world which is more than some of your boxers you like will ever acheive.

I like Wilder, please do not make me hate him because of you.

I hope he beats Stiverne.

[Max Power]

Liston is not a bum he was champion of the world which is more than some of your boxers you like will ever acheive.

I like Wilder, please do not make me hate him because of you.

I hope he beats Stiverne.

Sonny Liston was not a bum fine, I have been informed to cut down the name calling by @Andre. I assume he means not only posters but also boxers I dunno.

But anyhow Liston and Shavers had good records themselves but they consisted of hardly any decent opponents at all. If you deflate their records, they are shockingly poor. Manufactured exactly as Wilder is. Except Wilders opponents were atleast real HW opponents.

Anyhow why would you hate Wilder because of anything I say? I'm backing Stiverne, so what, you can laugh at me again if Wilder KO's him like with the Arreola thing and if it goes my way I don't really mind either, it's not like either pick will have required super intelligence. It's a rather intriguing match up really and difficult to predict.