"quality" opponents Wlad "fought"

[TitoFan]

@Max Power

You can write all the lengthy posts you want, and post statistics till you're blue in the face.
When you try to pass of the likes of Leapai and Pianeta as quality opposition, you lose credibility.

All I know is Wlad is the King of Stinker Heavyweight Fights.

Ray Austin: Big American heavyweight.... was supposed to represent a huge challenge to Wlad... laid down like an obedient puppy and embarrassed himself over 2 short rounds.

Ibragimov: Terrified of getting hit with a left, Wlad pawed at Sultan over 12 miserable rounds. Sultan, as with most of Wlad's shitty opponents, was pretty terrified himself, creating a horrible spectacle about as much fun to watch as growing grass or drying paint.

Povetkin: One of the very few that actually came to fight. Unfortunately, no one told him the sport had been changed to WWF (World Wrestling Federation), and Wlad was ready with all the headlocks, arm holds, and grappling tactics in his arsenal. Again...... driven by fear.

Tony Thompson: The world was so enthralled with the competitiveness of their first fight.... they clamored for a rematch. So Wlad knocked him out again.

David Haye: All mouth, then............... "Toe-gate".


I'm pretty much through waiting for someone to give Wlad a good, competitive fight..... and for Wlad to fight like a champ, not a chump scared of having a stiff breeze touch his chin. Now I can't wait for him to retire, so maybe fans can get excited about the heavyweight division for the first time in years.

[brocktonblockbust]

@max power

you can write all the lengthy posts you want, and post statistics till you're blue in the face.
When you try to pass of the likes of leapai and pianeta as quality opposition, you lose credibility.

All i know is wlad is the king of stinker heavyweight fights.

ray austin: big american heavyweight.... Was supposed to represent a huge challenge to wlad... Laid down like an obedient puppy and embarrassed himself over 2 short rounds.

ibragimov: terrified of getting hit with a left, wlad pawed at sultan over 12 miserable rounds. Sultan, as with most of wlad's shitty opponents, was pretty terrified himself, creating a horrible spectacle about as much fun to watch as growing grass or drying paint.

povetkin: one of the very few that actually came to fight. Unfortunately, no one told him the sport had been changed to wwf (world wrestling federation), and wlad was ready with all the headlocks, arm holds, and grappling tactics in his arsenal. Again...... Driven by fear.

tony thompson: the world was so enthralled with the competitiveness of their first fight.... They clamored for a rematch. So wlad knocked him out again.

david haye: all mouth, then............... "toe-gate".


I'm pretty much through waiting for someone to give wlad a good, competitive fight..... And for wlad to fight like a champ, not a chump scared of having a stiff breeze touch his chin. Now i can't wait for him to retire, so maybe fans can get excited about the heavyweight division for the first time in years.

toe-gate bwahahahaa his lil' pinky toe-toe

[Max Power]

toe-gate bwahahahaa his lil' pinky toe-toe

Haye vs Wladimir was pretty tentative. Not many chances were taken. I get it.

You can criticise Haye on low workrate.

You can criticise Wladimir on missing the target.

You can't criticise each other of respecting each others power because they can both knock the other out and neither are punch bags!

Haye vs Wladimir was atleast DECENTLY competitive.

Haye vs Wladimir is entirely watchable, it was a pretty decent HW battle to watch speaking of action, it is completely underrated by haters.

In terms of boxing skills, it is DEFINITELY one of the finest displays of reflexes and technical skill of all time in a HW fight.

These are the facts!

[Silkeyjoe]

When I scan through other great heavies recs and compare it to Wlads there usually isnt a whole lot of difference in quality. I think Wlad is missing a career defining win against another all time great heavy.

If you look at Lewis for example he does have a few better names. Tyson was clearly shot though and Holyfield would struggle would struggle with any decent bigger heavy. He would be an easy opponent for Wlad. Vitali is what makes Lewis' career and record better than Wlads imo.

Should Wlad continue to fight and end up beating an unbeaten Wilder, Fury or even Joshua, after they have proven themselves as elite fighters then he has to be given credit he deserves.

[Max Power]

When I scan through other great heavies recs and compare it to Wlads there usually isnt a whole lot of difference in quality. I think Wlad is missing a career defining win against another all time great heavy.

If you look at Lewis for example he does have a few better names. Tyson was clearly shot though and Holyfield would struggle would struggle with any decent bigger heavy. He would be an easy opponent for Wlad. Vitali is what makes Lewis' career and record better than Wlads imo.

Should Wlad continue to fight and end up beating an unbeaten Wilder, Fury or even Joshua, after they have proven themselves as elite fighters then he has to be given credit he deserves.

Yes, LEnnox has a Holyfield and a Tyson on his resume. But the only difference really between these guys and good Wlad opponents is the NAMES.

Ibragimov DID beat Holyfield
Thompson would have beat Tyson that Lennox did.

All of Wlad's wins are good wins. It's just that Lennox had some difficulties with some opponents which created an aura of competition. Whereas Wladimir dispatched all of his with fewer issues because he is more focussed. Lennox blew out about 4 of his good opponents whereas Wladimir only managed to blow out 1 or 2 of his really good ones early, because Wladimir is even more tactical (and also less risky).

I don't know who was really better prime for prime but one thing is certain.

Wladimir has had a much more extensive career, has been more dominant and has fought+beaten MORE decent opponents than Lennox. That much is a fact.

[Master]

Wladimir has had a much more extensive career, has been more dominant and has fought+beaten MORE decent opponents than Lennox.

How can you say the above?

Lennox would pulverise Wlad and yet you have the audacity to make the statement above.

[Max Power]

Wladimir has had a much more extensive career, has been more dominant and has fought+beaten MORE decent opponents than Lennox.

How can you say the above?

Lennox would pulverise Wlad and yet you have the audacity to make the statement above.

I think Lennox vs Wladimir is something close to a 50/50 fight, and these days the slight edge might be even given to WK! Factoring Emanuel Steward into the picture it might even be determined as others have said before me, by which corner he happened to sit in (were he to be around).

The only time Lennox fought anybody close to Wladimir's level, Vitali, he in my opinion got pulverised himself but that is another argument.

The best version of Wladimir imo is a tougher opponent for Lennox than the version of Vitali he fought and only managed to get by through unconventional means.

The most elite versions of WK, VK and LL are basically comparable. They all never were really outclassed at all and basically punched the living shit out of all of their opponents like no others have.

[boyla]

I think Wlads opponents have been discussed enough previously, the undiscussed problem is that there was more than one heavy weight champion which watered down every single contender, and all a top twenty fighter had to do was wait a year for a payday against either brother.

[Master]

toe-gate bwahahahaa his lil' pinky toe-toe

Haye vs Wladimir was pretty tentative. Not many chances were taken. I get it.

You can criticise Haye on low workrate.

You can criticise Wladimir on missing the target.

You can't criticise each other of respecting each others power because they can both knock the other out and neither are punch bags!

Haye vs Wladimir was atleast DECENTLY competitive.

Haye vs Wladimir is entirely watchable, it was a pretty decent HW battle to watch speaking of action, it is completely underrated by haters.

In terms of boxing skills, it is DEFINITELY one of the finest displays of reflexes and technical skill of all time in a HW fight.

These are the facts!

The most tongue in cheek post ever.

[Max Power]

@Max Power

You can write all the lengthy posts you want, and post statistics till you're blue in the face.
When you try to pass of the likes of Leapai and Pianeta as quality opposition, you lose credibility.

All I know is Wlad is the King of Stinker Heavyweight Fights.

Ray Austin: Big American heavyweight.... was supposed to represent a huge challenge to Wlad... laid down like an obedient puppy and embarrassed himself over 2 short rounds.

Ibragimov: Terrified of getting hit with a left, Wlad pawed at Sultan over 12 miserable rounds. Sultan, as with most of Wlad's shitty opponents, was pretty terrified himself, creating a horrible spectacle about as much fun to watch as growing grass or drying paint.

Povetkin: One of the very few that actually came to fight. Unfortunately, no one told him the sport had been changed to WWF (World Wrestling Federation), and Wlad was ready with all the headlocks, arm holds, and grappling tactics in his arsenal. Again...... driven by fear.

Tony Thompson: The world was so enthralled with the competitiveness of their first fight.... they clamored for a rematch. So Wlad knocked him out again.

David Haye: All mouth, then............... "Toe-gate".

I'm pretty much through waiting for someone to give Wlad a good, competitive fight..... and for Wlad to fight like a champ, not a chump scared of having a stiff breeze touch his chin. Now I can't wait for him to retire, so maybe fans can get excited about the heavyweight division for the first time in years.

You've just listed Wlad's obvious stinkers and alleged ones too. For a guy with 66 fights, this aint so bad.

Especially when you consider Wlad is a technical boxer and when they encounter certain styles+attributes they lead to BORING FIGHTS!

I'm sorry that Wladimir is boring to watch, whether it's because it was Wlad's fault, the opponents fault or a bit of both at fault! But that's boxing. And that has ALWAYS been boxing!

Technical boxing like Wlad does is revolutionary. There is nothing ordinary about it. He transformed HW boxjng like none other before him from a scrappy brawl, into basically a game of chess! Backed with extreme power. That;s not something to be scorned at. As a casual fan sure, but we are supposed to be BOXING fans, able to appreciate technical ability as much as a good competitive scrap.

And to be honest, I like watching the more rough house fights of the modern era a bit more, like Holyfield, Tyson and Riddick Bowe and Vitali, even Lennox sometimes! But I also appreciate the cerebral methodical breakdown of Wlad's style as well and acknowledge the difference between crowd pleasing and effectiveness.

[Master]

Quotes from Max below shows he may be on drugs.

Technical boxing like Wlad does is revolutionary

I also appreciate the cerebral methodical breakdown of Wlad's style

[Max Power]

Quotes from Max below shows he may be on drugs.

Technical boxing like Wlad does is revolutionary

I also appreciate the cerebral methodical breakdown of Wlad's style

Your favourite Muhammad Ali (the GREATEST as you call him) is responsible for 5 times more stinkers than is Wladimir. He stunk the place out more than any other champ in history.

There is only one concession here, one of Wlaidmir's best wins now (vs Povetkin) happens to be even stinkier than any one of Ali's.

Let's not forget that Ali's Frazier fights are possibly the NEXT most stinky though! And these are regarded as Ali's HALLMARK fights!

Bias!