"quality" opponents Wlad "fought"

[Vendettos]

I have no issues with the likes of Mariusz Wach because if that's the best we have around then that ain't Wlads fault. Not only that, Wach was big and did pose a threat, In fact he caught Wlad and had him worried for a sec in that fight.


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My Issue is with people like Francesco Pianeta who no one had heard of
-Lets take a look at that statement for a second.

So "no one had heard of" Francesco Pianeta yet he is fighting for 4 heavyweight world titles? CLEARLY an attempt to just make a little money with no risk. Now love or hate Mayweather, he would never fight someone unheard of just to make a little cash when he can fight high ranked fighters and make a killing.

He posed absolutely no threat!
-How can you sell a fight like this? Wlad toyed with him for 6 rounds and almost as if he decided he was bored, turned on and stopped him like he could have done it with his first punch!

Someone said to me that with low ranked fights (and some high ones) some fighters can charge a decent amount of $£$£$£ per commercial/advert. So if Wlads promotion had this, it benefits Wlad more to take the fight to at least the middle rounds.

Hence why Wlad decided 6 rounds was enough and just sparked him out.

NOW - I am not sure how true the advert/commercial thing is, but it is an interesting thought.

Interesting thought and interesting post.

I don't think Pianeta is a thrashing machine at all.

But Pianeta, as coddled as he might have been, was very big and strong. He always has a punchers chance vs Wladimir, however slight.

He WAS a credible opponent, you don't go around 30 fights unbeaten if you are not a decent boxer.

If you hadn't heard of him that's fine. There were obviously many who had.

If your trying to say that a guy like Pianeta...

THIS guy...

http://www.badculture.net/wp-content/uploads/wlad1.jpg

Is one of Wladimir Klitschko's shittest opponents, what that really means is that Wladimir Klitchko's resume must really be o good that it blows all other resumes completely out of the water.

When the fight was announced I created a thread, something like "who the fuck is Francesco Pianeta" and I can't remember anyone saying that they knew of him.

30 fights is fuck all, when they tried to sell it all they had was a win over a 47 year old Oliver McCall.

His second best win was against 44 year old Frans Botha! In 2009 he beat Matt Skelton who was 42.

IN FACT - If you look through like the 7 guys he fought before Wlad most of them are in their 40's and late 30's.

Lets not fuck about, looking good with pecks and a six pack doesn't mean you can box. Pianeta was 28-0-1 and had not had a single test in his career.

He was however lick your lips good for Wladimir Klitschko. He was unbeaten, in shape, had a win over a name (regardless how old).

It's ridiculous that he was even considered to be in the same arena as Wlad, when his best win was against McCall who was ranked 100+ in the world at the time.

[Max Power]

I have no issues with the likes of Mariusz Wach because if that's the best we have around then that ain't Wlads fault. Not only that, Wach was big and did pose a threat, In fact he caught Wlad and had him worried for a sec in that fight.


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My Issue is with people like Francesco Pianeta who no one had heard of
-Lets take a look at that statement for a second.

So "no one had heard of" Francesco Pianeta yet he is fighting for 4 heavyweight world titles? CLEARLY an attempt to just make a little money with no risk. Now love or hate Mayweather, he would never fight someone unheard of just to make a little cash when he can fight high ranked fighters and make a killing.

He posed absolutely no threat!
-How can you sell a fight like this? Wlad toyed with him for 6 rounds and almost as if he decided he was bored, turned on and stopped him like he could have done it with his first punch!

Someone said to me that with low ranked fights (and some high ones) some fighters can charge a decent amount of $£$£$£ per commercial/advert. So if Wlads promotion had this, it benefits Wlad more to take the fight to at least the middle rounds.

Hence why Wlad decided 6 rounds was enough and just sparked him out.

NOW - I am not sure how true the advert/commercial thing is, but it is an interesting thought.

Interesting thought and interesting post.

I don't think Pianeta is a thrashing machine at all.

But Pianeta, as coddled as he might have been, was very big and strong. He always has a punchers chance vs Wladimir, however slight.

He WAS a credible opponent, you don't go around 30 fights unbeaten if you are not a decent boxer.

If you hadn't heard of him that's fine. There were obviously many who had.

If your trying to say that a guy like Pianeta...

THIS guy...

http://www.badculture.net/wp-content/uploads/wlad1.jpg

Is one of Wladimir Klitschko's shittest opponents, what that really means is that Wladimir Klitchko's resume must really be o good that it blows all other resumes completely out of the water.

When the fight was announced I created a thread, something like "who the fuck is Francesco Pianeta" and I can't remember anyone saying that they knew of him.

30 fights is fuck all, when they tried to sell it all they had was a win over a 47 year old Oliver McCall.

His second best win was against 44 year old Frans Botha! In 2009 he beat Matt Skelton who was 42.

IN FACT - If you look through like the 7 guys he fought before Wlad most of them are in their 40's and late 30's.

Lets not fuck about, looking good with pecks and a six pack doesn't mean you can box. Pianeta was 28-0-1 and had not had a single test in his career.

He was however lick your lips good for Wladimir Klitschko. He was unbeaten, in shape, had a win over a name (regardless how old).

It's ridiculous that he was even considered to be in the same arena as Wlad, when his best win was against McCall who was ranked 100+ in the world at the time.

Yes, Francesco Pianeta did not fight a high level of opposition to generate his padded record. I know this. The best opponents were well past prime.

But your comment trying to degrade Wlad's resume is off base, your claim "he was a good opponent for Wlaidmir though" is in direct conflict with your opening one "he did not belong in the same ring with Wlad".

So which is it? LOL You cannot have it both ways!

I will tell you what Pianeta was, he was a stay busy opponent, certainly not among Wladimir's best wins and was never promoted to be any kind of real threat. He got given an opportunity pure and simple and both made some money.

The thing is, Pianeta, despite his shortcomings, was a DECENT opponent!

He was STILL big and strong and he was STILL an unbeaten opponent.

No champion boxer in the past has ever faced the top competition ALL of the time, so why hold Wladimir to this standard exclusively?

If a guy like Pianeta is the example of a stay busy fight, I am very impressed.

[Master]

So what if he was undefeated. the division is devoid of talent and it is easy to get a title shot by fighting nobody. It is truly awful.

[Max Power]

So what if he was undefeated. the division is devoid of talent and it is easy to get a title shot by fighting nobody. It is truly awful.

Well that was really objective @Master, I am stunned by your insight! LOL

Atleast Pianeta got his shot by beating aged former champs and WINNING fights.

Let's now forget how previous champs opponents got their shots, by beating a series of ACTUAL bums and sometimes by LOSING fights! And these were often regarded as credible opponents, not stay busy fights like Pianeta!

[Master]

So what if he was undefeated. the division is devoid of talent and it is easy to get a title shot by fighting nobody. It is truly awful.

Well that was really objective @Master, I am stunned by your insight! LOL

Atleast Pianeta got his shot by beating aged former champs and WINNING fights.

Let's now forget how previous champs opponents got their shots, by beating a series of ACTUAL bums and sometimes by LOSING fights! And these were often regarded as credible opponents, not stay busy fights like Pianeta!

What did he do when he fought Wlad? awful effort.

[Max Power]

What did he do when he fought Wlad? awful effort.

The answer? He fought Wlaidmir Klitschko.

Nobody is going to look very good fighting Wladimir.

Just trying to hit the guy requires a good effort.

[Vendettos]

I have no issues with the likes of Mariusz Wach because if that's the best we have around then that ain't Wlads fault. Not only that, Wach was big and did pose a threat, In fact he caught Wlad and had him worried for a sec in that fight.


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My Issue is with people like Francesco Pianeta who no one had heard of
-Lets take a look at that statement for a second.

So "no one had heard of" Francesco Pianeta yet he is fighting for 4 heavyweight world titles? CLEARLY an attempt to just make a little money with no risk. Now love or hate Mayweather, he would never fight someone unheard of just to make a little cash when he can fight high ranked fighters and make a killing.

He posed absolutely no threat!
-How can you sell a fight like this? Wlad toyed with him for 6 rounds and almost as if he decided he was bored, turned on and stopped him like he could have done it with his first punch!

Someone said to me that with low ranked fights (and some high ones) some fighters can charge a decent amount of $£$£$£ per commercial/advert. So if Wlads promotion had this, it benefits Wlad more to take the fight to at least the middle rounds.

Hence why Wlad decided 6 rounds was enough and just sparked him out.

NOW - I am not sure how true the advert/commercial thing is, but it is an interesting thought.

Interesting thought and interesting post.

I don't think Pianeta is a thrashing machine at all.

But Pianeta, as coddled as he might have been, was very big and strong. He always has a punchers chance vs Wladimir, however slight.

He WAS a credible opponent, you don't go around 30 fights unbeaten if you are not a decent boxer.

If you hadn't heard of him that's fine. There were obviously many who had.

If your trying to say that a guy like Pianeta...

THIS guy...

http://www.badculture.net/wp-content/uploads/wlad1.jpg

Is one of Wladimir Klitschko's shittest opponents, what that really means is that Wladimir Klitchko's resume must really be o good that it blows all other resumes completely out of the water.

When the fight was announced I created a thread, something like "who the fuck is Francesco Pianeta" and I can't remember anyone saying that they knew of him.

30 fights is fuck all, when they tried to sell it all they had was a win over a 47 year old Oliver McCall.

His second best win was against 44 year old Frans Botha! In 2009 he beat Matt Skelton who was 42.

IN FACT - If you look through like the 7 guys he fought before Wlad most of them are in their 40's and late 30's.

Lets not fuck about, looking good with pecks and a six pack doesn't mean you can box. Pianeta was 28-0-1 and had not had a single test in his career.

He was however lick your lips good for Wladimir Klitschko. He was unbeaten, in shape, had a win over a name (regardless how old).

It's ridiculous that he was even considered to be in the same arena as Wlad, when his best win was against McCall who was ranked 100+ in the world at the time.

Yes, Francesco Pianeta did not fight a high level of opposition to generate his padded record. I know this. The best opponents were well past prime.

But your comment trying to degrade Wlad's resume is off base, your claim "he was a good opponent for Wlaidmir though" is in direct conflict with your opening one "he did not belong in the same ring with Wlad".

So which is it? LOL You cannot have it both ways!

I will tell you what Pianeta was, he was a stay busy opponent, certainly not among Wladimir's best wins and was never promoted to be any kind of real threat. He got given an opportunity pure and simple and both made some money.

The thing is, Pianeta, despite his shortcomings, was a DECENT opponent!

He was STILL big and strong and he was STILL an unbeaten opponent.

No champion boxer in the past has ever faced the top competition ALL of the time, so why hold Wladimir to this standard exclusively?

If a guy like Pianeta is the example of a stay busy fight, I am very impressed.

I feel that you are clutching at straws now.

You know exactly what I meant, however the level of idiocy that thrives on this forum never stops amazing me so I'll break it down to you are like a child.

1 - For Wlads personal wealth, Pianeta was perfect, by being undefeated and having beaten Oliver McCall (again old) he had a way of selling a fight with an unknown fighter.

2 - For HW boxing he was a joke of an opponent for the champ and did not belong in the ring with Wlad.

Now I hate being harsh with people but there is no way you can think that Wladimir Klitschko, undefeated in like a decade, holding 4 world titles (3 majors), coming off the back of a decent win against a fighter who is at least a known contender at world level and can pick any fighter he wants to fight.... Picks Pianeta....?

It's ridiculous that he doesn't always aim to fight the top fighters in the division.

[Max Power]

I have no issues with the likes of Mariusz Wach because if that's the best we have around then that ain't Wlads fault. Not only that, Wach was big and did pose a threat, In fact he caught Wlad and had him worried for a sec in that fight.


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My Issue is with people like Francesco Pianeta who no one had heard of
-Lets take a look at that statement for a second.

So "no one had heard of" Francesco Pianeta yet he is fighting for 4 heavyweight world titles? CLEARLY an attempt to just make a little money with no risk. Now love or hate Mayweather, he would never fight someone unheard of just to make a little cash when he can fight high ranked fighters and make a killing.

He posed absolutely no threat!
-How can you sell a fight like this? Wlad toyed with him for 6 rounds and almost as if he decided he was bored, turned on and stopped him like he could have done it with his first punch!

Someone said to me that with low ranked fights (and some high ones) some fighters can charge a decent amount of $£$£$£ per commercial/advert. So if Wlads promotion had this, it benefits Wlad more to take the fight to at least the middle rounds.

Hence why Wlad decided 6 rounds was enough and just sparked him out.

NOW - I am not sure how true the advert/commercial thing is, but it is an interesting thought.

Interesting thought and interesting post.

I don't think Pianeta is a thrashing machine at all.

But Pianeta, as coddled as he might have been, was very big and strong. He always has a punchers chance vs Wladimir, however slight.

He WAS a credible opponent, you don't go around 30 fights unbeaten if you are not a decent boxer.

If you hadn't heard of him that's fine. There were obviously many who had.

If your trying to say that a guy like Pianeta...

THIS guy...

http://www.badculture.net/wp-content/uploads/wlad1.jpg

Is one of Wladimir Klitschko's shittest opponents, what that really means is that Wladimir Klitchko's resume must really be o good that it blows all other resumes completely out of the water.

When the fight was announced I created a thread, something like "who the fuck is Francesco Pianeta" and I can't remember anyone saying that they knew of him.

30 fights is fuck all, when they tried to sell it all they had was a win over a 47 year old Oliver McCall.

His second best win was against 44 year old Frans Botha! In 2009 he beat Matt Skelton who was 42.

IN FACT - If you look through like the 7 guys he fought before Wlad most of them are in their 40's and late 30's.

Lets not fuck about, looking good with pecks and a six pack doesn't mean you can box. Pianeta was 28-0-1 and had not had a single test in his career.

He was however lick your lips good for Wladimir Klitschko. He was unbeaten, in shape, had a win over a name (regardless how old).

It's ridiculous that he was even considered to be in the same arena as Wlad, when his best win was against McCall who was ranked 100+ in the world at the time.

Yes, Francesco Pianeta did not fight a high level of opposition to generate his padded record. I know this. The best opponents were well past prime.

But your comment trying to degrade Wlad's resume is off base, your claim "he was a good opponent for Wlaidmir though" is in direct conflict with your opening one "he did not belong in the same ring with Wlad".

So which is it? LOL You cannot have it both ways!

I will tell you what Pianeta was, he was a stay busy opponent, certainly not among Wladimir's best wins and was never promoted to be any kind of real threat. He got given an opportunity pure and simple and both made some money.

The thing is, Pianeta, despite his shortcomings, was a DECENT opponent!

He was STILL big and strong and he was STILL an unbeaten opponent.

No champion boxer in the past has ever faced the top competition ALL of the time, so why hold Wladimir to this standard exclusively?

If a guy like Pianeta is the example of a stay busy fight, I am very impressed.

I feel that you are clutching at straws now.

You know exactly what I meant, however the level of idiocy that thrives on this forum never stops amazing me so I'll break it down to you are like a child.

1 - For Wlads personal wealth, Pianeta was perfect, by being undefeated and having beaten Oliver McCall (again old) he had a way of selling a fight with an unknown fighter.

2 - For HW boxing he was a joke of an opponent for the champ and did not belong in the ring with Wlad.

Now I hate being harsh with people but there is no way you can think that Wladimir Klitschko, undefeated in like a decade, holding 4 world titles (3 majors), coming off the back of a decent win against a fighter who is at least a known contender at world level and can pick any fighter he wants to fight.... Picks Pianeta....?

It's ridiculous that he doesn't always aim to fight the top fighters in the division.

He has basically done exactly that.

- Nobody has fought and beat MORE good 200+ HW's than Wladimir ever,

- Taking on Pianeta was NO DIFFERENT than Lennox Lewis taking on unbeaten Mavrovic which "nobody heard of previously".

Wladimir has subsequently beaten Pulev and Povetkin and has cleaned out the division many times. Please don't try to sell me that Wladimir is avoiding top fighters.

[palmerq]

I feel that you are clutching at straws now.

You know exactly what I meant, however the level of idiocy that thrives on this forum never stops amazing me so I'll break it down to you are like a child.

1 - For Wlads personal wealth, Pianeta was perfect, by being undefeated and having beaten Oliver McCall (again old) he had a way of selling a fight with an unknown fighter.

2 - For HW boxing he was a joke of an opponent for the champ and did not belong in the ring with Wlad.

Now I hate being harsh with people but there is no way you can think that Wladimir Klitschko, undefeated in like a decade, holding 4 world titles (3 majors), coming off the back of a decent win against a fighter who is at least a known contender at world level and can pick any fighter he wants to fight.... Picks Pianeta....?

It's ridiculous that he doesn't always aim to fight the top fighters in the division.

If i remember correctly wladimir was contracted to have a fight on the date of the pianeta fight and a lot of the other highly ranked guys were busy at that time(arreola and stiverne were fighting around that time, ) and how many of them would have taken it is another question a fair few contenders do like padding their records a lot before going up against wladimir and I think the wbc belt mandatory spot was still up for grabs then. In my opinion a good few guys were more interested in chasing the "easier" wbc belt then so either wouln't have taken a wladimir fight unless they were paid a lot, maybe k2 shoudl have offered more monies but I don't think from who was availible at the time there was anyone really worth it for wladimir.. So I don't think for a business and stay busy fight pianeta was that bad of an opponent out of what was availible...

Mormeck was a terrible choice though that was really bad.. That was just done so wladimir could get an easy mark for his 50th ko... Although mormecks punch stats are pretty hilarious, he was on A-Forces level that night :S