earnie shavers: the hardest heavyweight puncher ever?

[Master]

Max oh Max what are we to do with you?

That is the best you could come back with?

Cooper never wasted Ali, he knocked him down.

Ali could barely talk when he fought Holmes and still a peak Larry could not knock him down never mind out.

Do you really think any fighter wants to get deliberately hit on the head from the most powerful heavyweight champion ever? Of course not.

Alright then Master, fair enough.

Let's try something a little different then.

What about Alexander Povetkin then? This guy was never even knocked DOWN in over 300 fights ammy+pro combined let alone out, until he fought Wladimir Klitschko which he survived but suffered the first KD's of his career.

Does that mean that Alexander Povetkin could never be knocked out if he were to fight in the Golden Era? In in fact DO think Alexander wouldn't be KOed in it but can you see it's the same logic applied?

As can be done for Vitali Klitschko who was never even KD! So basically based on that I would claim Vitali would be indestructible in the 70's right?

There IS a way to show the difference in power and chin indirectly across the eras to know that MY set of boxers (Vitali, Alexander, Samuel, Wlad etc) hit harder and are tougher than your set (Foreman, Shavers, Ali, Cooper etc).

You can see that the AVERAGE WEIGHT of all of the modern opponents fought, KOed and KOed by, won and lost against are much higher for the modern boxers AND they generally have better records against them as well.

This weight generally confers more crude punching power and more punch resistance. Especially when we are talking generally over an entire eras worth or an entire boxers worth of opponents it is highly representative and especially when we are talking about an average of 35lb the difference in weight!

I don't think Muhammad Ali could take a good punch in this era and I think the evidence is pretty compelling but you go ahead and believe in your indestructible mandible of Ali and your super punching Shaver and Foreman if you like.

I could see Foreman knock out Wlad.

[brocktonblockbust]

George clubs Wlad out in 2 rounds, his usual 6 minute butchery.

[Max Power]

George clubs Wlad out in 2 rounds, his usual 6 minute butchery.

Yes because Wladimir has always been vulnerable to slow plodders significantly smaller and lighter who stand right in front of him and wail wide arcing arm and push punches telegraphed from China at him isn't he.

Thanks. I hadn't noticed that enormous gap in his defences by now.

[Max Power]

Max oh Max what are we to do with you?

That is the best you could come back with?

Cooper never wasted Ali, he knocked him down.

Ali could barely talk when he fought Holmes and still a peak Larry could not knock him down never mind out.

Do you really think any fighter wants to get deliberately hit on the head from the most powerful heavyweight champion ever? Of course not.

Alright then Master, fair enough.

Let's try something a little different then.

What about Alexander Povetkin then? This guy was never even knocked DOWN in over 300 fights ammy+pro combined let alone out, until he fought Wladimir Klitschko which he survived but suffered the first KD's of his career.

Does that mean that Alexander Povetkin could never be knocked out if he were to fight in the Golden Era? In in fact DO think Alexander wouldn't be KOed in it but can you see it's the same logic applied?

As can be done for Vitali Klitschko who was never even KD! So basically based on that I would claim Vitali would be indestructible in the 70's right?

There IS a way to show the difference in power and chin indirectly across the eras to know that MY set of boxers (Vitali, Alexander, Samuel, Wlad etc) hit harder and are tougher than your set (Foreman, Shavers, Ali, Cooper etc).

You can see that the AVERAGE WEIGHT of all of the modern opponents fought, KOed and KOed by, won and lost against are much higher for the modern boxers AND they generally have better records against them as well.

This weight generally confers more crude punching power and more punch resistance. Especially when we are talking generally over an entire eras worth or an entire boxers worth of opponents it is highly representative and especially when we are talking about an average of 35lb the difference in weight!

I don't think Muhammad Ali could take a good punch in this era and I think the evidence is pretty compelling but you go ahead and believe in your indestructible mandible of Ali and your super punching Shaver and Foreman if you like.

I could see Foreman knock out Wlad.

Yes, I give Foreman a decent punchers chance vs Wladimir. In fact of all the golden era boxers, I give Geroge Foreman the best chance (and Larry Holmes but he was technically not part of that era).

But then once you observe some of Foreman's actual fights (vs Lyle in particular) where he faced an opponent with range and power SUDDENLY he was no thrashing machine like he was against other mismatched opponents.

Like Lennox Lewis said about the chances of Rahman vs Wladimir... "I think that's a FAT chance!"

[Master]

Like Lennox Lewis said about the chances of Rahman vs Wladimir... "I think that's a FAT chance!"

Povetkin v Rahman was a disgraceful fight. The Rock could barely stand.

[brocktonblockbust]

Tua and maskaev butchered the Rock. He was already done back in the early 2000s.

[Max Power]

Tua and maskaev butchered the Rock. He was already done back in the early 2000s.

That is rubbish! Absolute ruibbish!

Rahman lost all 4 of these fights on paper. The 2 Maskaev fights he dominantly won in scoring wise but was legit KOed at the end.

Rahman was 2ce ripped off against Tua, the first fight was stopped prem after Rahman dominantly outboxed Tua and the 2nd SD, Rahman clearly done enough to win.

Your point here is not relevant at all.

Rahman was a tremendously tough opponent and by augmenting his actual record with these actual facts, you can get a feeling for Rahman's true worth as a modern HW boxer.

This thread has deviated from it's original Shaver's highlight.

Ironically we are now onto Rahman who punches about 3 times harder and is also about 3 times a better boxer than Shavers. Where does it end?

Next thing, you'll be claiming Shavers is a decent opponent for the Klitschko's, Lewis, Tyson, Bowe and Holyfield!

Unbelievable!