Whenever Klits fought someone their size, they struggled!

[TitoFan]

I'm no Wlad fan, brock..... but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.

Wlad fought Ray Austin (6'-6"), Tony Thompson (6'-5") twice, and Jameel McCline (6'-6"), and hardly broke a sweat with any of them.
I think the real key to Wlad's struggles is the following quote:

Baby bro wlad struggles with anyone who has a heart and will power.

The aforementioned guys were just as big as Wlad, but entered the ring with the aggressiveness of meek little sheep being led to the slaughterhouse. Which is what pisses me off about Wlad's list of opponents victims. They talk all the shit in the world.... built up the hype.... and proceed to turn in their worst performances as pros. The Austin fight stands out clearly in my mind. Finally. Here was a big guy who was going to test Wlad's chin.... and he was just as big as Wlad. But the guy went in there like he was double-parked outside, and just wanted to get the hell out of there. He was nothing but a 6'-6" punching bag. .... and Austin is just the poster boy for a lot of Wlad's opponents victims. Which in turn is the main reason why I don't like Wlad fights and refuse to give Wlad the credit some say he deserves. Because when he does fight someone with heart and will power and who actually came to fight (and with a little pop in his punches to boot)..... he resorts to clinching, mauling, fouling, and making a mess of a heavyweight fight (see: Povetkin).

[El Kabong]

"and refuse to give Wlad the credit some say he deserves"



Oh get over it

"Because when he does fight someone with heart and will power and who actually came to fight (and with a little pop in his punches to boot)..... he resorts to clinching, mauling, fouling, and making a mess of a heavyweight fight (see: Povetkin)."

...hmmmm who NEVER clinched, mauled, fouled, or made a mess of a heavyweight fight hmmm....who NEVER did that. Was that Evander Holyfield who never did that? Was that Mike Tyson who always had the opponents that didn't act like victims? Was it Ali that never held and clinched? Lennox Lewis who never mauled and fouled?

I'm terribly sorry that you're quite unimpressed with the 10 years that Wladimir has been the champion of the division. I'm certain he'll try to be better just for you....I mean it's just a shame that the best undefeated boxer the division had to offer just got lit up by Wlad and stopped in the 5th round with relative ease. You keep rooting against him though...who knows maybe he'll retire and you can go back to watching Butterbean fight

[TitoFan]

"and refuse to give Wlad the credit some say he deserves"



Oh get over it

"Because when he does fight someone with heart and will power and who actually came to fight (and with a little pop in his punches to boot)..... he resorts to clinching, mauling, fouling, and making a mess of a heavyweight fight (see: Povetkin)."

...hmmmm who NEVER clinched, mauled, fouled, or made a mess of a heavyweight fight hmmm....who NEVER did that. Was that Evander Holyfield who never did that? Was that Mike Tyson who always had the opponents that didn't act like victims? Was it Ali that never held and clinched? Lennox Lewis who never mauled and fouled?

I'm terribly sorry that you're quite unimpressed with the 10 years that Wladimir has been the champion of the division. I'm certain he'll try to be better just for you....I mean it's just a shame that the best undefeated boxer the division had to offer just got lit up by Wlad and stopped in the 5th round with relative ease. You keep rooting against him though...who knows maybe he'll retire and you can go back to watching Butterbean fight

So..............

You then....... (cough) "enjoy" watching classics like Wlad-Ibragimov, Wlad-Povetkin, Wlad-Austin, Wlad-Haye, Wlad-Thompson, blah, blah, blah, ad nauseam........ as opposed to the actually exciting, competitive heavyweights prior to the Wladimir era? What other spectacles do you enjoy watching in life? Competitive knitting? Professional bingo? Thumb wrestling?

Fascinating.

[TitoFan]

Let me get this straight..... 'cause this is worth getting on record.

Are you actually defending the "Povetkin" Wlad?!?

Inquisitive minds want to know.

[El Kabong]

Povetkin made the fight tough, that's how he was going to be successful vs Wladimir and Wladimir kept him from being successful...that's all there is to it.

Wlad-Ibragimov: I did not like that fight, Sultan ran the entire time. That said, you have an opponent running, loading up on 1 huge shot...Wlad attempted to KO him, but why take a giant risk and stand and trade with a guy loading up for 1 lulu of a punch? Does that make strategic sense? Wlad did what he could with what Sultan offered him and that is why he typically finds a way to win.

Wlad-Haye: I thought the fight could have gone better but Haye hurt hims little baby toe so of course HE ran the entire fight

Wlad-Thompson 1 & 2: I enjoyed both of those, Tony gave everything he had in the first fight and gave Wlad a run, tired him out pretty good but Wlad stopped the guy (who had never been stopped ever before) and THEN he stopped him again, earlier and with menace. YES I enjoyed that fight.

Wlad-Austin: Shit yeah I enjoyed that fight, Wlad blasted Ray with a left hook that nearly took off Ray's head and he followed up to make certain he ended the fight right then and there. A 2nd round stoppage, you're bitching about a 2nd round KO Aaaaaalllllright

I'm happy you complain about Wlad regardless of how quickly he knocks out an opponent 11th round, 2nd round, doesn't make a difference to you. You watch the Pulev fight? Nah better yet DON'T, DON'T watch and then DON'T complain.

[TitoFan]

Wlad-Ibragimov: I did not like that fight, Sultan ran the entire time. That said, you have an opponent running, loading up on 1 huge shot...Wlad attempted to KO him, but why take a giant risk and stand and trade with a guy loading up for 1 lulu of a punch? Does that make strategic sense? Wlad did what he could with what Sultan offered him and that is why he typically finds a way to win.

Out of your entire post, this was the doozy.

Exactly when did Wlad attempt to KO Sultan?

In the dressing room?
After the fight in the parking lot?
While Sultan was sleeping in his hotel room?

I'd like to say I would rewatch the "fight" to see exactly when during the "fight" this alleged attempted KO happened, but I'm no masochist, and frankly I'd prefer to get a root canal without anesthetic, before sitting through Wlad-Sultan again. But to my recollection, and in my humble opinion, the only thing Wlad did during the ENTIRE Sultan "fight" was engage in an interminably exasperating pawing contest with Sultan. Please..... pleeeeeeease do not continue to defend this snoozefest, as it undermines whatever feeble defenses you may have of Wlad.

We'd all respect it a lot more if you said: "You know? I'm the biggest Wlad fan here. But I'll be the first to admit that the Sultan fight was a huge stinker, partly because of Wlad himself. The Povetkin fight? Not one of Wlad's shining moments." Say that.... and all of your Wlad defenses would seem more palatable.

[El Kabong]

"You know? I'm the biggest Wlad fan here. But I'll be the first to admit that the Sultan fight was a huge stinker, partly because of Wlad himself. The Povetkin fight? Not one of Wlad's shining moments." "

1. I've said that before for both of those fights.

2. "Partly" Where's your usual hyperbole?

3. No comments regarding the other fights you whined about?



Wlad DID attempt to KO Sultan throughout the fight, but when a 6'6 fighter attempting to utilize height and reach is stalking down a 6'0 southpaw who is leaning back over his right foot and in a crouch presumably loading up for 1 gigantic haymaker while giving Wladimir a teeny tiny window for a pin point punch you have to think for 1 second.....do you BOX or do you go for broke and look like a complete ass when you get clipped on the chin by a Hail Mary of a punch? People can bring up Mike Tyson and how he banged out scared fighters....because his style was suited to do just that. Wladimir's style is to win rounds and wear a fighter down if he can't get an early 1 punch KO then a culmination of punishment over 12 will win him the fight just the same and THAT at the end of the day is what you're squawking about.

Did the fight look good? NO but a WIN is a WIN...you want to run down Bernard Hopkins record and see how many beautiful fights he had?

[Beanflicker]

Wlad dropped the ball in the Sultan fight, yeah Sultan ran like a bitch but but it was Wlad's show, it was in MSG and Wlad let Sultan make him look bad. Even Manny was telling him he was stinking out the joint.

[Freedom]

Some people hate Wladimir Klitschko, and there's nothing that he can ever do to change them.

It doesn't matter if he wins by KO 2 over Ray Austin and Derrick Jefferson or TKO 11 over Jameel McCline or UD over Mariusz Wach.

Yet the same people worship Floyd Mayweather, despite him not even trying for a KO over overmatched opponents and beating up the mother of his children.

It's obvious why they hate Wladimir. If he was Lionel Jones from Philadelphia and exactly the same in every other way, the same people who have him now would hold him in the highest regard.

[SlimTrae]

I'm no Wlad fan, brock..... but I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one.

Wlad fought Ray Austin (6'-6"), Tony Thompson (6'-5") twice, and Jameel McCline (6'-6"), and hardly broke a sweat with any of them.
I think the real key to Wlad's struggles is the following quote:

Baby bro wlad struggles with anyone who has a heart and will power.

The aforementioned guys were just as big as Wlad, but entered the ring with the aggressiveness of meek little sheep being led to the slaughterhouse. Which is what pisses me off about Wlad's list of opponents victims. They talk all the shit in the world.... built up the hype.... and proceed to turn in their worst performances as pros. The Austin fight stands out clearly in my mind. Finally. Here was a big guy who was going to test Wlad's chin.... and he was just as big as Wlad. But the guy went in there like he was double-parked outside, and just wanted to get the hell out of there. He was nothing but a 6'-6" punching bag. .... and Austin is just the poster boy for a lot of Wlad's opponents victims. Which in turn is the main reason why I don't like Wlad fights and refuse to give Wlad the credit some say he deserves. Because when he does fight someone with heart and will power and who actually came to fight (and with a little pop in his punches to boot)..... he resorts to clinching, mauling, fouling, and making a mess of a heavyweight fight (see: Povetkin).

Ah, a post with prose, reality mixed in with comedy!
I'd love to fight, but I'm Double parked? hahaha!!! Sheep led to a slaughterhouse hardeehahaa!!

At Kabong- In case you didn't know-enjoy reading ya'posts-even the ones I disagree with.
Holyfield: Klitschkos Would Have Did Fine in My Era - Boxing News But this link here?

Man, that story details EVERYTHING MOST OF US HARP ABOUT- THE title is somewhat misleading.

Evander states his era- fought ample amatuer fights compared to today- his: 257, then proceeded to state- they didnt get no cakewalk fights. Thats a jab at today's era IMO.

Then Holy states what I get ragged on-not by you, but brother Max Power-when I & a few state Wlad was just a big dude and nothing more without Manny Steward to teach him the fundamentals of that 50+ year old man's mind from Detroit's Kronk Gym. Holy was nice about it : "They didn't do too well."

Stated they got what? knocked out...a couple of times.
Only when they gained in the pros, what Holy & his era gained in the amatuers via ( alot of practice), then they did good or.. as he concludes..THEN they would have done fine in his era...with adjustments they learned after 1. too few amatuer fights, 2. getting KTFO'd in the pros, 3. Getting some old school teaching...that aint me brother, thats they Real-Deal Holyfield talking, I'm just in agreement!

[El Kabong]

Holyfield was basically talking about Wladimir. Vitali everyone thinks would be fine in whatever division he was in at whatever time 6'8, a 90 something % KO rate, extremely difficult to hit clean yeah he would have held his own whenever.

As for Wladimir, Holyfield said he made adjustments to be where he is now. Well obviously he did and he fights nothing like how he fought when Sdunek was his trainer. Manny Steward was the perfect trainer for Wladimir he got him to fight tall, utilize the jab more, and we've seen his progress. That said, Wlad wasn't just some bum without Manny, he was easier to hit, loaded up on more punches, tired himself out easier, but he was still a WORLD CHAMPION before Manny took over. It was just once fighters thought they saw a blueprint for beating him Wlad added Manny and they tore up the script. You look at guys who failed to adapt: Mike Tyson for one...he didn't really have success in the latter part of his career (but for really REALLY good match making), Lennox Lewis adapted, Evander adapted, and both those guys had longer careers because of it.


I'm glad you enjoy my posts Slim, you're a very agreeable poster yourself, knowledgeable, funny, and not quick to anger either...here's hoping you stay around here a long time