Stiverne/Wilder fight worlds apart from Ali/Frazier, etc.

[brocktonblockbust]

one need look no further than this to see how the talent/drive/spirit has deteriorated drastically.

[Max Power]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

[beenKOed]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

Not Ali/Frazier 1, there was some excitement, tension, and lots of money changing hands over that fight. The way I remember it. Lol

[Max Power]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

Not Ali/Frazier 1, there was some excitement, tension, and lots of money changing hands over that fight. The way I remember it. Lol

Ok, I wasn't around for it. I'm too young.

Perhaps that is not fair since had I been around I probably would have felt it too of course.

The pace of Ali/Frazier 1 was higher from both fighters whereas Widler/Stiverne was kind of 1-sided in terms of "punches thrown" lol.

Still, 25% of the whole fight (FOTC) was a wrestle.

I seen it several times and it isn't real impressive from a non-political view.

Stiverne was a punch bag recently but in FOTC, both Ali AND Frazier were merely punch bags for each other.

[Master]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

Compare fat and can not be bothered to get into condition Stiverne to Frazier? You need shooting.

Compare either of these fighters to Ali and Frazier when they achieve that many defences. Which is never.

[Max Power]

Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

Compare fat and can not be bothered to get into condition Stiverne to Frazier? You need shooting.

Compare either of these fighters to Ali and Frazier when they achieve that many defences. Which is never.

Errrr. RIGHT!

I have compared them. One of these guys is an iron chinned 240lb tank and the other is a featherfisted 210lb dwarf.

But the biggest flaw in your argument is that Frazier was captured on film extremely unathletic whereas Stiverne was post-fight diagnosed with Rhabdomyolysis, he was so OVER-TRAINED to the point that he metabolised his own muscles.

They could not be further than opposite ends of the spectrum. Again, you equate "chub" with "out-of-shape". Nothing can be further from the truth!

It's just that a 6-pack is USUALLY a good indicator of condition, but that condition often includes a lot of sprint -type track conditioning, not completely necessary for boxing, depending on attributes and style.

[Master]

210lb dwarf could beat your 240lb fat champ as did the 219lb fighter did.

Wilder has great condition but over training is also showing his inexperience.

[rjj tszyu]

210lb dwarf could beat your 240lb fat champ as did the 219lb fighter did.

Wilder has great condition but over training is also showing his inexperience.

I honestly cannot believe that anyone could mention Stiverne in the same sentence as Joe Frazier! We're talking about an ATG who lived in the golden era of HW boxing and came up short against 2 men, IMO the greatest HW that has ever lived and the other the hardest punching HW that ever lived who is also a man who returned as a fat, old man to another very good era of HW's and won the title again in his mid forties!!

[Max Power]

210lb dwarf could beat your 240lb fat champ as did the 219lb fighter did.

Wilder has great condition but over training is also showing his inexperience.

I said "Stiverne" overtrained. You cannot still accept that you can be elite conditioned and still chubby.

You don't get sent to hospital with that condition unless you trained TOO hard, a fat chump is hardly relevant.

Frazier has nothing whatsoever in common with Wilder and you bloody well know it!

Frazier could not even bloody box for Christ sake!

The fact he won a medal and a title at the time is absolute proof of how weak that era really was. That is a fact!

AS IF Frazier could ever step into the same ring as Wilder or Stiverne! As if!

[Master]

Max you are so dumb it is untrue. Joe was Olympic gold medalist and had one of the most defences of his title. If Wilder does anything in comparison in his career then compare them. Otherwise give it a rest.

[Beanflicker]

one need look no further than this to see how the talent/drive/spirit has deteriorated drastically.

True but you need two for a good fight. Maybe if Stiverne remembered to drink a glass of water every now and then and actually put up a real effort, we could have seen a war!

[killersheep]

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[Beanflicker]

one need look no further than this to see how the talent/drive/spirit has deteriorated drastically.

What happened to Stiverne's deferred dream? Looks like it dried up like a raisin in the sun, after all.