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Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
Even the dumbest, laziest, sickest, most dehydrated version of Stiverne possible is a far more proven and dangerous boxer than any version of Frazier.

And Wilder far more formidable than any version of Ali.

In terms of the fights though..

Yeah Wilder vs Stiverne was a bit monotonous in places, not saying it was great but Ali vs Frazier were also boring.

One thing Wilder/Stiverne delivered was high tension. You had that feeling like it was gonna all end at any moment.

With Frazier/Ali, it was so weak there was no chance 2 total featherfists could ever KO each other. Where's the HW excitement in that!

And what about all the clinching? It was the next worst clinchfest after Wlad/Povetkin.

Compare fat and can not be bothered to get into condition Stiverne to Frazier? You need shooting.

Compare either of these fighters to Ali and Frazier when they achieve that many defences. Which is never.
Errrr. RIGHT!

I have compared them. One of these guys is an iron chinned 240lb tank and the other is a featherfisted 210lb dwarf.

But the biggest flaw in your argument is that Frazier was captured on film extremely unathletic whereas Stiverne was post-fight diagnosed with Rhabdomyolysis, he was so OVER-TRAINED to the point that he metabolised his own muscles.

They could not be further than opposite ends of the spectrum. Again, you equate "chub" with "out-of-shape". Nothing can be further from the truth!

It's just that a 6-pack is USUALLY a good indicator of condition, but that condition often includes a lot of sprint -type track conditioning, not completely necessary for boxing, depending on attributes and style.