Larry Holmes: Klitschko has no jab, no heart & would be beaten by Wilder or Stiverne

[Master]

No one is picking on Wlad. We have said he is a great champion. When you are against the elite in history then he falls short. Get over it.

Define "career defining fight"....because if you can't (or won't) then everyone will just assume it's because you personally don't like Wladimir which is fine if you don't but at least own up to it.

Career defining fight would be a big fight that captures the public attention, against a credible fighter who people believe has a chance and he puts on a great show.

I can not name a career defining fight of his. Can you?

[El Kabong]

Career defining fight would be a big fight that captures the public attention, against a credible fighter who people believe has a chance and he puts on a great show.

I can not name a career defining fight of his. Can you?

I'd say a large majority of his fights "captures the public's attention" seeing how many asses he puts in the seats. Credible fighter well let's see: Chris Byrd x 2, Sam Peter x 2, Tony Thompson x 2, Chagaev (on short notice for both), David Haye, and typically he scores KO's. The Pulev fight for example was vs a guy with a great amateur pedigree who was undefeated as a professional and Wlad walked right through him.....but I digress name the "career defining fights" for Larry Holmes was it vs 40-4 Ken Norton, the 59-7-1 Earnie Shavers, the 56-3 Muhammad Ali, or were his fights vs the 22-0-0 Renoldo Snipes, the 15-0 Tim Witherspoon, and the 25-0 Gerry Cooney his "career defining fights"? How about Lennox Lewis? were his career defining fights vs the old boys Tyson and Holyfield or vs the newbs like Grant and Briggs?

But hey keep adding on those qualifiers so you can give Wlad just enough credit without admitting how good he actually is. And just because YOU aren't watching, doesn't mean everyone else ain't watching. He sells tickets REGARDLESS of what you think.


Also Larry Holmes is basically parroting what Pulev said before he actually fought Wlad "He has everything that you need to be a world champion, but he has no heart. He's like a girl."

To which Wladimir responded with....


" I don't think he realized he was playing in the champions league."

[Master]

If you type a lot and hide the answers that does not count.

[El Kabong]

If you type a lot and hide the answers that does not count.

CHRIS BYRD x 2

SAM PETER x 2

TONY THOMPSON x 2

RUSLAN CHAGAEV (short notice for both fighters)

KUBRAT PULEV

DAVID HAYE


Can you read those ok gramps? Not too hidden from you are they?

[Master]

That the career defining fights? I am impressed and those fights will go down in boxing folklore.

[El Kabong]

That the career defining fights? I am impressed and those fights will go down in boxing folklore.

I'm sorry Master, but those guys were good fighters whether you accept it or not and Wladimir beat the fuck out of them. Chris Byrd had survived Vitali's punches to win the WBO title, he then lost that title to Wlad. Then before the rematch Chris Byrd was then the longest reigning title holder at the time and Wladimir KO'd him with Byrd attempting to utilize Lamon Brewster's blueprint of pouring on the pressure. Sam Peter was the most dangerous fighter in the division when Wlad was at his lowest point, yeah that fight pretty much defines Wlad's career as it is the turning point for his entire career. Tony Thompson never stopped, never down, Wlad KO's him, then KO's him earlier in the rematch. The Chagaev fight was a huge fight, it was on short notice for both fighters as Haye and Valuev the douchebags they are had pulled out of their fights with Wlad and the aforementioned Chagaev. Pulev was undefeated he had been giving out boxing lessons left right and center and Wlad stopped him easily. David Haye talked his way into stardom and got dealt with in a boxing clinic.

Those are big fights, Wlad won them, Wlad is an all time great and you can sit around waiting hoping and praying for another Lennox Lewis or Mike Tyson or whoever......they aren't coming back.

[Master]

I will give you Sam Peters because he showed heart and courage and I said he is an ATG but not the greatest.

[El Kabong]

He won't throw in clinches because it isn't smart, it doesn't suit what he does best so in using the clinch as he does he's not allowing the other fighter the chance to get into the fight.....that sounds pretty great to me

[SlimTrae]

He won't throw in clinches because it isn't smart, it doesn't suit what he does best so in using the clinch as he does he's not allowing the other fighter the chance to get into the fight.....that sounds pretty great to me

End game is: gotta do what works. I agree. It does work well for him. (clinching)