Quote Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust View Post
I understand what Bill is saying. Muhammad Ali was so offensive and disrespectful to one of the greatest fighters of all-time ARCHIE MOORE, really disrespectful. And Muhammad Ali was also tremendously disrespectful and hurtful to Joe Frazier, really over-the-top, and also as Bill pointed out to Floyd Patterson, who was ALWAYS A GENTLEMAN and a model citizen. Ali definitely went too far with his hurtful comments to people. So I think what Bill is saying is that it is a bit satisfying to see the loudmouth bully get his lil' ass whipped.

I understand @AdamGB that is does look like a grudge.


Only Frazier transcended beyond the ring. Ali had names for everybody. He called Liston the Bear. I have to think everyone else besides Frazier understood that Ali was just being a character, one who brought a lot of attention to boxing. Be it from fans, or from haters who wanted for someone to shut Ali's mouth..... Ali's antics brought a lot of attention to boxing. Attention that carried on through the wonderful 70's and 80's.

Wanting to see Ali get whipped is one thing, and quite normal enough. To be glad about Ali suffering from Parkinson's as a result of the extreme beating he took waaaaaaay beyond his time against Holmes is quite another.

On the other hand, I've always been a Holmes hater. Whereas Ali's taunts always had a touch of clowning and hardly taken seriously (again, except for Frazier)...... Holmes spent his entire career lashing out and whining about his perceived lack of attention. The fact that he climbed the ring and beat up on a practically mummified Ali speaks volumes in and of itself.

It's no one's fault that Holmes happened to arrive after Ali, and probably forgotten soon after Tyson showed up. He (Holmes) had his career. Like he liked to say..... the only color he cared about was green. Although now that I think about it, I can't say whether he was talking about money..... or actually talking about envy. Coincidence?

Bottom line to me is.... you can hate a fighter.
But to be glad of his injuries or illnesses..... that's something else altogether.