Andre ward vs GGG

[Beanz]

It's not Golovkin's fault that Cotto is not a middleweight and prevented him ripping the Lineal title off Martinez. Where are all the calls for Cotto to face GGG?

[Ron Swanson]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with GGG fighting all the gatekeepers in the world. I'm saying there is something seriously f'd about what you all are saying.

It has gone from GGG shouldn't fight Ward because he needs to clean out 160 and he needs to build his name to GGG shouldn't fight Ward because he needs to clean out 160 and Ward needs to build his name. You people can't see the comedy in that? Please tell me you see the glaring problem?!

Clean out clean out clean out, they aren't going to fight him! Let me repeat, they aren't going to fight him. One more time so people get it, they aren't going to fight him! So then there is the "what can he do if they won't fight him?" It's obvious, he can fight the fighters that are willing. Ward is willing. And anyone that believes the 31 year Ward is washed up is a moron.

I'm not saying GGG has to move up, although he said he would for Chavez so it's a bit of a bitch move to not be willing for Ward. And I'm not saying GGG has to fight him next. But he damn well should be looking in his direction. Because only looking at no hopers is weak.

I would be a fan of GGG if he would only start fighting guys on his level. He is 33 years before his next fight and he hasn't fought one champion for crying out loud. Not one! And you all don't want him to fight the guy on his level or a champion. Get the belts get the belts get belts, the belts are meaningless.

[imp]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with GGG fighting all the gatekeepers in the world. I'm saying there is something seriously f'd about what you all are saying.

It has gone from GGG shouldn't fight Ward because he needs to clean out 160 and he needs to build his name to GGG shouldn't fight Ward because he needs to clean out 160 and Ward needs to build his name. You people can't see the comedy in that? Please tell me you see the glaring problem?!

Clean out clean out clean out, they aren't going to fight him! Let me repeat, they aren't going to fight him. One more time so people get it, they aren't going to fight him! So then there is the "what can he do if they won't fight him?" It's obvious, he can fight the fighters that are willing. Ward is willing. And anyone that believes the 31 year Ward is washed up is a moron.

I'm not saying GGG has to move up, although he said he would for Chavez so it's a bit of a bitch move to not be willing for Ward. And I'm not saying GGG has to fight him next. But he damn well should be looking in his direction. Because only looking at no hopers is weak.

I would be a fan of GGG if he would only start fighting guys on his level. He is 33 years before his next fight and he hasn't fought one champion for crying out loud. Not one! And you all don't want him to fight the guy on his level or a champion. Get the belts get the belts get belts, the belts are meaningless.

I said that in another thread that every bloody fighter wants to fight Chavez jr!!!

So GGG can call out a fat weed smoker like Chavez jr and move up in weight but for ward he's just not ready yet...

I love carl froch but even he honestly said he would loose to ward again!

Froch knows how good ward is and when a warrior like froch wont attempt to avenge his only other loss then people need to pay attention.

[walrus]

Ward might actually beat ggg by hugging him the whole fight.

[imp]

http://youtu.be/bPws2hPKGbE

[Ron Swanson]

About to be 33, never once fought a champion. But he fights often so nobody cares (smh)

[iwng100]

I'm probably one of the very few fans who desperately wants to see GGG vs Ward, but I want a fair fight in even conditions:
1. - weight-class - 160 Lb
2. - meeting place - Karaganda, Kazakhstan
3. - all three judges and the referee from Kazakhstan as well.

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

[IamInuit]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

Well what are his alternatives? All of you doubting Thomas's keep saying or inferring the same thing w/o a shred of evidence to support it.

Not only is he blamed for a bunch of fake champions not wanting to fight him but now he is being blamed for the exact same thing everybody else has been doing for years. You know it is prize fighting and all of these other guys who provide the other half of the prize in his division wet the bed every time his name comes up. He practically baby sat his number one contender to get some rounds in.

Why wouldn't he fight Chavez for an entry to 168? Btw it remains to be seen if that spoiled child can even make 168 but he's yapping off in social media how he would knock the Kazak out. What the hell the guy cant get respect by steamrolling his own division he might as well crunch one of the million dollar babies. Ironically he'd finally become a somebody by knocking out a nobody.

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

Well what are his alternatives? All of you doubting Thomas's keep saying or inferring the same thing w/o a shred of evidence to support it.

Not only is he blamed for a bunch of fake champions not wanting to fight him but now he is being blamed for the exact same thing everybody else has been doing for years. You know it is prize fighting and all of these other guys who provide the other half of the prize in his division wet the bed every time his name comes up. He practically baby sat his number one contender to get some rounds in.

Why wouldn't he fight Chavez for an entry to 168? Btw it remains to be seen if that spoiled child can even make 168 but he's yapping off in social media how he would knock the Kazak out. What the hell the guy cant get respect by steamrolling his own division he might as well crunch one of the million dollar babies. Ironically he'd finally become a somebody by knocking out a nobody.

You know you're my boy but in this case you need to work on your reading comprehension. I have no problem with GGG beating on a division that is beneath him. I've said that. If he wants to be a guy who we wonder what he could have done that's fine.

My problem is with fans making 1000 excuses.
"He's got to clean out 160" well then what about all the 154lb fighters he's fought?
"he shouldn't have to move up"they've said on numerous occasions including just yesterday that they are willing to move up for bad fighters, why not good fighters?

I have no problem with GGG, you can find me on the other site saying "he is the best Middleweight in the world" before he even had a belt. My problem is that there always seems to be an excuse not to fight the best. Whether it is they are not willing to fight him or he is not willing to fight them and both are accepted!

GGG is too good to let his career go by and being only a "champion", he should be a "great" and to do that he has to fight great fighters.

[Primo Carnera]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

The only reason there's talk of a Chavez fight is cos Chavez is talking it up, with Million Dollar bets! GGG's adviser just said "Yeah, he accepts the bet." Chavez probably won't fight Fonfara, Because Arum won't let him, let alone GGG. How can GGG fight Ward? (btw , he's never said he wouldn't.)
Ward is supposed to fight late March/early April, we've heard fuck all about an opponent yet. Wtf is GGG supposed to do, wait around till Ward is ready?
Ward won't be fighting GGG straight off - FACT. so what's wrong with GGG getting on with his career , staying active and When Princess Ward is ready, talk about it then.
Ward needs GGG more than the other way round, infact Ward needs to fight anyone respectable!
GGG is a small MW, if he goes to any weight , it should be either catchweight to KO Canelo (if Oscar has the Cojones to put Canelo in there.), or LMW to fight Floyd. Don't they tick your Precious "Greatness." box?

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

The only reason there's talk of a Chavez fight is cos Chavez is talking it up, with Million Dollar bets! GGG's adviser just said "Yeah, he accepts the bet." Chavez probably won't fight Fonfara, Because Arum won't let him, let alone GGG. How can GGG fight Ward? (btw , he's never said he wouldn't.)
Ward is supposed to fight late March/early April, we've heard fuck all about an opponent yet. Wtf is GGG supposed to do, wait around till Ward is ready?
Ward won't be fighting GGG straight off - FACT. so what's wrong with GGG getting on with his career , staying active and When Princess Ward is ready, talk about it then.
Ward needs GGG more than the other way round, infact Ward needs to fight anyone respectable!
GGG is a small MW, if he goes to any weight , it should be either catchweight to KO Canelo (if Oscar has the Cojones to put Canelo in there.), or LMW to fight Floyd. Don't they tick your Precious "Greatness." box?

This Small Middleweight nonsense needs to go. Even as an amateur he fought heavier than he does now!

People said Murray was a big Middleweight but at the 30 day weight in GGG was significantly bigger. How can he be bigger than a big MW but a small MW? It doesn't make sense.

And for the 100th time. I have never said he should chase Ward. I have never said he should fight Ward next. I don't know why people insist on putting words into people's mouths to try and "win" a discussion. Discuss what is being discussed. I said "he should be looking at Ward" but all the people that didn't recognize how good GGG was years ago seem to only look for excuses he shouldn't. Like Ward is a "Princess", who cares, he can fight? Or Ward doesn't sell, who cares he can fight? Selling only mattersin PPV or if it is worthy of being on pay channels. So the he doesn't sell argument has absolutely no place because there is absolutely no doubt GGG/Ward is at least on HBO and possibly PPV so that sorry ass excuse has no place

[Primo Carnera]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

The only reason there's talk of a Chavez fight is cos Chavez is talking it up, with Million Dollar bets! GGG's adviser just said "Yeah, he accepts the bet." Chavez probably won't fight Fonfara, Because Arum won't let him, let alone GGG. How can GGG fight Ward? (btw , he's never said he wouldn't.)
Ward is supposed to fight late March/early April, we've heard fuck all about an opponent yet. Wtf is GGG supposed to do, wait around till Ward is ready?
Ward won't be fighting GGG straight off - FACT. so what's wrong with GGG getting on with his career , staying active and When Princess Ward is ready, talk about it then.
Ward needs GGG more than the other way round, infact Ward needs to fight anyone respectable!
GGG is a small MW, if he goes to any weight , it should be either catchweight to KO Canelo (if Oscar has the Cojones to put Canelo in there.), or LMW to fight Floyd. Don't they tick your Precious "Greatness." box?

This Small Middleweight nonsense needs to go. Even as an amateur he fought heavier than he does now!

People said Murray was a big Middleweight but at the 30 day weight in GGG was significantly bigger. How can he be bigger than a big MW but a small MW? It doesn't make sense.

And for the 100th time. I have never said he should chase Ward. I have never said he should fight Ward next. I don't know why people insist on putting words into people's mouths to try and "win" a discussion. Discuss what is being discussed. I said "he should be looking at Ward" but all the people that didn't recognize how good GGG was years ago seem to only look for excuses he shouldn't. Like Ward is a "Princess", who cares, he can fight? Or Ward doesn't sell, who cares he can fight? Selling only mattersin PPV or if it is worthy of being on pay channels. So the he doesn't sell argument has absolutely no place because there is absolutely no doubt GGG/Ward is at least on HBO and possibly PPV so that sorry ass excuse has no place

Talk about putting words into people's Mouths, I never mentioned Ward not being sellable to try to win a debate. What I will say is that until he fights again , he's irrelevant . and I'm not sure what the point of "having a look at Ward" is.
You say he was bigger than Murray at the 30 day weight, I'd be interested to see something to back that up, but at the 7 day stage , he was only 3lbs over the limit, and you only have to look at them in the ring and even in the press conferences to see the size difference.
Also, he was fighting heavier in the amateurs - Big deal! apparently , when he was 14 , his brothers used to make him fight men in the street. What difference does that make? it ain't street fighting and he ain't an amateur. He may have been heavier in the amateurs , but he wasn't Taller or had a longer reach!
at the end of the day , GGG is 32 and wants to stay busy and who can blame him, it's a short career. So again, why should he wait till never never for Ward to decide what he doing. I Like Ward, I think he's a fantastic fighter, but he has fucked his career up big time. Surely that is a bigger waste of talent than what GGG is doing?
if all the MW's continue to duck him, he may have to go to another division, but if I were him, I would be looking down rather than up.

[Kirkland Laing]

The options for GGG at 160 are limited. The really big money fight is Cotto but Cotto won't go near him. Otherwise there are just guys like Murray and Andy Lee to fight. Nothing really big.

Ward is in the same boat at 168. Chavez or a Froch rematch are the biggest fights for Ward but neither of them want to get in the ring with him.

I can understand GGG moving up for Chavez but not for Ward. Ward is capable of beating him and doesn't bring a really big money fight. I can see GGG fighting Froch sooner rather than later. I don't think Haymon will make Chavez-GGG and I don't think GGG's people will go near Ward. GGG-Froch would be an absolute war. Done right it'd fill Wembley and be a PPV event in England. The potential money involved I think will see that fight get made.

[Ron Swanson]

For those saying clean out 160 clean out 160, they repeated again today on social media they want to go to 168 to fight Chavez. It's really sort of embarrassing that people are supporting this.

The only reason there's talk of a Chavez fight is cos Chavez is talking it up, with Million Dollar bets! GGG's adviser just said "Yeah, he accepts the bet." Chavez probably won't fight Fonfara, Because Arum won't let him, let alone GGG. How can GGG fight Ward? (btw , he's never said he wouldn't.)
Ward is supposed to fight late March/early April, we've heard fuck all about an opponent yet. Wtf is GGG supposed to do, wait around till Ward is ready?
Ward won't be fighting GGG straight off - FACT. so what's wrong with GGG getting on with his career , staying active and When Princess Ward is ready, talk about it then.
Ward needs GGG more than the other way round, infact Ward needs to fight anyone respectable!
GGG is a small MW, if he goes to any weight , it should be either catchweight to KO Canelo (if Oscar has the Cojones to put Canelo in there.), or LMW to fight Floyd. Don't they tick your Precious "Greatness." box?

This Small Middleweight nonsense needs to go. Even as an amateur he fought heavier than he does now!

People said Murray was a big Middleweight but at the 30 day weight in GGG was significantly bigger. How can he be bigger than a big MW but a small MW? It doesn't make sense.

And for the 100th time. I have never said he should chase Ward. I have never said he should fight Ward next. I don't know why people insist on putting words into people's mouths to try and "win" a discussion. Discuss what is being discussed. I said "he should be looking at Ward" but all the people that didn't recognize how good GGG was years ago seem to only look for excuses he shouldn't. Like Ward is a "Princess", who cares, he can fight? Or Ward doesn't sell, who cares he can fight? Selling only mattersin PPV or if it is worthy of being on pay channels. So the he doesn't sell argument has absolutely no place because there is absolutely no doubt GGG/Ward is at least on HBO and possibly PPV so that sorry ass excuse has no place

Talk about putting words into people's Mouths, I never mentioned Ward not being sellable to try to win a debate. What I will say is that until he fights again , he's irrelevant . and I'm not sure what the point of "having a look at Ward" is.
You say he was bigger than Murray at the 30 day weight, I'd be interested to see something to back that up, but at the 7 day stage , he was only 3lbs over the limit, and you only have to look at them in the ring and even in the press conferences to see the size difference.
Also, he was fighting heavier in the amateurs - Big deal! apparently , when he was 14 , his brothers used to make him fight men in the street. What difference does that make? it ain't street fighting and he ain't an amateur. He may have been heavier in the amateurs , but he wasn't Taller or had a longer reach!
at the end of the day , GGG is 32 and wants to stay busy and who can blame him, it's a short career. So again, why should he wait till never never for Ward to decide what he doing. I Like Ward, I think he's a fantastic fighter, but he has fucked his career up big time. Surely that is a bigger waste of talent than what GGG is doing?
if all the MW's continue to duck him, he may have to go to another division, but if I were him, I would be looking down rather than up.

Wards career did get f'd because his friend was being robbed and he wouldn't stand for it. I find Ward as annoying as the next guy but that is the right thing to do.

The point about GGG is that at 22 he fought heavier than he does at soon to be 33. Most guys don't get smaller. He's a full sized middleweight. Length isn't the only factor of size, or do you think Tyson was a Jr. Middle? If you have to cut weight to make Middle you are a full sized middle. And the 30 day weights are public. If you don't believe me you can easily look it up. I forget the exact numbers but I believe Murray was 168 and Golovkin was still 172 lbs. That's right 172 lbs. As in a full sized middleweight. In fact even in camp still 12 lbs over middleweight.

I'm done, I want this guy to challenge himself. Nobody else does. That's fine. But it isn't sport