David Haye- wasted talent?

[El Kabong]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

[Master]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

[El Kabong]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

[Master]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

I am saying if he did fight during that time he would have stayed at the lower weight.

[El Kabong]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

I am saying if he did fight during that time he would have stayed at the lower weight.

And I'm saying he was talented enough to compete at heavyweight....ME....I'm saying that!

[Max Power]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

I am saying if he did fight during that time he would have stayed at the lower weight.

Yet a slower, shitter, featherfisted boxer of even smaller proportions, far less athletic and skilled and possibly even chinnier (Moorer) DID make it. In fact he even became HW champ.

David Haye would have been one of Lennox's better opponents and would have thrashed most of the 90's HW's beyond any doubt. He was an excellent boxer. How can you take that much away from him?

[SlimTrae]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

I am saying if he did fight during that time he would have stayed at the lower weight.

Yet a slower, shitter, featherfisted boxer of even smaller proportions, far less athletic and skilled and possibly even chinnier (Moorer) DID make it. In fact he even became HW champ.

David Haye would have been one of Lennox's better opponents and would have thrashed most of the 90's HW's beyond any doubt. He was an excellent boxer. How can you take that much away from him?

True Moorer proved chinny- but thats because he had a bangers mentality. Far too many bangers in the 90's who would've pressed Haye into a fight. Haye can outrun a giant of Wlad & Valuev, but the 90's HW's could cut the ring off. Haye loses 2 outta every 4 fights vs U pickem.

Lewis thrashes Haye.

[El Kabong]

Michael Moorer wasn't a bad fighter at all, he would have given Haye a fight but featherfisted? He was a good solid puncher, power in speed and combinations....he just fought stupidly vs Foreman.

Moorer was a guy I wished fought other top contenders at the time.

[Max Power]

Haye overacheived as a heavyweight.

I don't buy that for a second! He EASILY beat every other heavyweight he fought and if you're going to tell me "Well those were handpicked opponents" it doesn't much matter they (aside from Monte Barrett) were all still highly rated at the time. I don't know if Haye truly believed he belonged or if he just didn't have the heart to do it, but shit he was certainly skilled enough to be the #2 man in the division he just had to go out and work for it and for whatever reason he didn't.

Haye would not have lasted had it been early 1990's. He would have stayed at cruiserweight.

I don't buy that either. Heavyweights were smaller then and regardless he didn't fight in the 90's and sans time machine he wouldn't so it's a moot point.

I am saying if he did fight during that time he would have stayed at the lower weight.

Yet a slower, shitter, featherfisted boxer of even smaller proportions, far less athletic and skilled and possibly even chinnier (Moorer) DID make it. In fact he even became HW champ.

David Haye would have been one of Lennox's better opponents and would have thrashed most of the 90's HW's beyond any doubt. He was an excellent boxer. How can you take that much away from him?

True Moorer proved chinny- but thats because he had a bangers mentality. Far too many bangers in the 90's who would've pressed Haye into a fight. Haye can outrun a giant of Wlad & Valuev, but the 90's HW's could cut the ring off. Haye loses 2 outta every 4 fights vs U pickem.

Lewis thrashes Haye.

None of the other 90's boxers besides Lewis could move like Wladimir.

Yeah I am sure guys like Rahman and Holyfield would make mincemeat of Haye like a better sparring session. You fool!

We're talking about the HW with some of the fastest and sharpest performance in boxing the world has ever seen here. That's not licking Haye's ass either, that's just stating fact.

[nuggetdotcom]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

[ross]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

[ykdadamaja]

Whatever it is, Haye had all of the physical and mental attributes to be dominant... he just decided that third place was good enough.

[Max Power]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

I like Tyson Fury better than David Haye personally.

But David Haye would have and still would most likely, totally clown Fury and knock him out at some point in the fight.

How could it be otherwise!

Gay as it sounds.. Haye was injured. All the weights fucked his shoulder (he bench presses too much) and the sparring cut was sheer idiocy. But it is what it is.

[ross]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

I like Tyson Fury better than David Haye personally.

But David Haye would have and still would most likely, totally clown Fury and knock him out at some point in the fight.

How could it be otherwise!

Gay as it sounds.. Haye was injured. All the weights fucked his shoulder (he bench presses too much) and the sparring cut was sheer idiocy. But it is what it is.

So when Fury beats Wlad it proves Haye was utter shite?

[Max Power]

I dont buy this Haye hate club shite.

I was happy to follow him and travel abroad throughout his career, had many good nights, culminating in one bad one in Hamburg, which most of you were never at, so you dont know the pre-fight hype and aggravation the Klits were pulling.

Following his title win he took money from the so called clever promoters by beating nonentities like Harrison for good money, and who would blame him? Even after he lost the title the same promoters were hosing him down with money to fight Derek Chisora? Would anybody not do it? Its like putting Lewis Hamilton against a VW beetle.

And now we get all this shit from camp Fury about how he was 'frightened' and backed down, how fucking ridiculous. Having told you that I followed all/most of Hayes fights the last ones, against an overhyped Pikey, I never actually bought tickets for, not fucking interested. Having said that I do not doubt that Hayes injuries were genuine, and dont subscribe to the Pikey view that he was 'hiding' from him, why would he? He had easy money against Macaroni, Harrison and Chisora from Warren, why not do it again against an overhyped opponent like Fury?

Get real for christs sake.

Because he wouldn't live with a loss to Fury because of how Fury was perceived but this perception will be reversed within the next year. Even if Fury loses to Wlad (he wont) he will lose while trying to win and wouldn't blame anything on any injury.

Fury will prove to be the better heavyweight and will make mug of all Hayes dopey fans who continue to support him. Kabong and yourself think he's shit so when he beats Wlad what dos that make Wlad and Haye! Utter shitty shit

I like Tyson Fury better than David Haye personally.

But David Haye would have and still would most likely, totally clown Fury and knock him out at some point in the fight.

How could it be otherwise!

Gay as it sounds.. Haye was injured. All the weights fucked his shoulder (he bench presses too much) and the sparring cut was sheer idiocy. But it is what it is.

So when Fury beats Wlad it proves Haye was utter shite?

Oh so Fury even beats Wlad now ey?

Yeah right!

Well hey, I don't want to rip on Fury, he is a good boxer and great opponent for Haye or Wlad. But he is the underdog, make no mistake.

That's putting it nicely @ross